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Old 04-07-2010, 08:07 AM
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When can scheduling do this, and where is it written? I've been through 23.N and O and it's not in there. I had a GS in for a specific rotation that departed less than 12 hours out. It was subsequently broken up and the pieces were awarded via WS (for the part today) and LC reserve (for the rest of the rotation.)

I called to ask, and was told they will always try to break up the trip prior to awarding a GS. Is this proper application of the trip awarding process?

They didn't have any reserves to cover this rotation (it was originally a 5-day which I happen to like ), so it should have gone through the whole 23.N/O process as far as I can tell. Are they allowed to break trips up to cover them, if they have guys that are asking for the specific rotation, regardless of if it's a WS, YS, or GS?

I always thought that was their last resort but can't find it spelled out anywhere.
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:13 AM
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Some have estimated that we took about a 54% to 56% cut in compensation and benefits with pay cuts and work rule changes, and lost our already earned pensions. That was when the money bag was pretty much empty. Hopefully it will start filling up again soon. Although I will still maintain, every single item we ask for has an assigned value by both sides, Scope was expensive, but we would be dead in the water without it. Just my 3 cents.
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
This thread has lost some of its entertainment value.
I miss college football.
Baseball season is here and that's a good thing. But its just not the same.
Something's missing. What could it be?






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I Cant wait till Football season!!



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Old 04-07-2010, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
When can scheduling do this, and where is it written? I've been through 23.N and O and it's not in there. I had a GS in for a specific rotation that departed less than 12 hours out. It was subsequently broken up and the pieces were awarded via WS (for the part today) and LC reserve (for the rest of the rotation.)

I called to ask, and was told they will always try to break up the trip prior to awarding a GS. Is this proper application of the trip awarding process?

They didn't have any reserves to cover this rotation (it was originally a 5-day which I happen to like ), so it should have gone through the whole 23.N/O process as far as I can tell. Are they allowed to break trips up to cover them, if they have guys that are asking for the specific rotation, regardless of if it's a WS, YS, or GS?

I always thought that was their last resort but can't find it spelled out anywhere.
Yep that is what they do. If there is coverage with less days avail, they will break a rotation up to cover it, even if you have a GS in.
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:23 AM
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Quick question:

I need a day off later in the month to take the wife to a surgery appointment. I am scheduled to be on call that day.

I put in for an Authorized Personal Drop. Is this the best way to get the day off? What is the difference between an Authorized drop & just a regular Personal drop? I know I've read about it somewhere but I'm suffering from imformation overload (along with most of the other DAL-N guys).

Also, the way I understand it is they will reduce my monthly Guarantee by 3.8 hrs (or 1/18th). Is this correct?

Thanks!
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by volav8r1
Quick question:

I need a day off later in the month to take the wife to a surgery appointment. I am scheduled to be on call that day.

I put in for an Authorized Personal Drop. Is this the best way to get the day off? What is the difference between an Authorized drop & just a regular Personal drop? I know I've read about it somewhere but I'm suffering from imformation overload (along with most of the other DAL-N guys).

Also, the way I understand it is they will reduce my monthly Guarantee by 3.8 hrs (or 1/18th). Is this correct?



Thanks!
Have you called your schedulers? If not, try to speak with a Supervisor. Should be no problem getting the day off. Yes, your monthly pay will be prorated.

Best of luck....
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
When can scheduling do this, and where is it written? I've been through 23.N and O and it's not in there. I had a GS in for a specific rotation that departed less than 12 hours out. It was subsequently broken up and the pieces were awarded via WS (for the part today) and LC reserve (for the rest of the rotation.)

I called to ask, and was told they will always try to break up the trip prior to awarding a GS. Is this proper application of the trip awarding process?

They didn't have any reserves to cover this rotation (it was originally a 5-day which I happen to like ), so it should have gone through the whole 23.N/O process as far as I can tell. Are they allowed to break trips up to cover them, if they have guys that are asking for the specific rotation, regardless of if it's a WS, YS, or GS?

I always thought that was their last resort but can't find it spelled out anywhere.
I think until it is awarded, they can do whatever they want with it. Also, keep this little thing in mind. This happened to me once. I put in for a GS or WS. I was number 3 on the aircraft at the time. They awarded the trip to someone else. I thought there is no way that someone senior to me got that trip, so I looked it up. Sure enough, they had awarded it to someone junior. Here was my mistake. Without thinking I immediately called skeds and inquired about the mistake. He took about 2 minutes and came back and said,"You are absolutely correct, the trip is now yours." After I hung up, a friend which had over heard the conversation said,"That was pretty dumb, if you had of waited until after the trip, they would of had to pay both of you." Doh!
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by volav8r1
Quick question:

I need a day off later in the month to take the wife to a surgery appointment. I am scheduled to be on call that day.

I put in for an Authorized Personal Drop. Is this the best way to get the day off? What is the difference between an Authorized drop & just a regular Personal drop? I know I've read about it somewhere but I'm suffering from imformation overload (along with most of the other DAL-N guys).

Also, the way I understand it is they will reduce my monthly Guarantee by 3.8 hrs (or 1/18th). Is this correct?

Thanks!

Authorized personal drops are pretty much last resort drops to getting days off. What I mean by that is that no matter the reserve coverage for the day (for the most part....there has to be like 25% of the required coverage I believe) you will get the days off. And I believe we get 4 of those every year. Personal drops are only awarded when we have enough coverage. Check out the reserve availability list, and the days that are color coded blue means we have enough coverage, and if you want that day off....its all yours. Hope this helps.
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven
Have you called your schedulers? If not, try to speak with a Supervisor. Should be no problem getting the day off. Yes, your monthly pay will be prorated.

Best of luck....
Honestly, no i havent called them yet. I was going to see if I was going about this the right way by trying to personal drop 1st. If I need to I will call them or go thru the chief pilot if necessary. I'm a MEM DC-9 guy. We have about 15 reserves on every day but Icrew says we only need 2 or 3 so I'm hoping they will approve it.

Thanks for the info!
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by volav8r1
Quick question:

I need a day off later in the month to take the wife to a surgery appointment. I am scheduled to be on call that day.

I put in for an Authorized Personal Drop. Is this the best way to get the day off? What is the difference between an Authorized drop & just a regular Personal drop? I know I've read about it somewhere but I'm suffering from imformation overload (along with most of the other DAL-N guys).

Also, the way I understand it is they will reduce my monthly Guarantee by 3.8 hrs (or 1/18th). Is this correct?

Thanks!

I would first check reserve availability in DBMS. You may be able to move the day. If not, call the CPSC. Talk to Baker. He will do what he can without making you use you PD.
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