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Old 04-06-2010, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
I believe they flew into "extreme turbulence" which caused a catastrophic failure. I believe they probably lost their rudder and vertical stab first followed by other components.
so Waves you mean something like this:





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Old 04-07-2010, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
If they can fill it, they can make money on it. The CASM is great if it is full, even at 140 dollars per bbl.
Filling it up is the trick, but marketing thinks they can do it and that is why they are sticking around.
I don't doubt the 744s are sticking around, but we are not getting 10 more (per the rumor).
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
If it ain't got sails.. count me out... oh and sailingfun... real sailboats only have one hull
I have seen sailboats with one hull. They do the strangest thing with them however. They hang thousands of pounds of lead or pig iron under the hull real deep and drag it around with them where ever they go. Of course they can't go a lot of places because they hang that lead so far down they draw to much water.

I could never understand why anyone would drag around 9000 lbs of lead in a 50 foot sailboat but then it was explained to me that is was to insure the boats were easy to sink if needed. I understand they go right to the bottom with just a little water inside!
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
It was an interesting time in Delta history.
The beginning of the end of the "Delta family". Something called Leadership 7.5 had been going on (brutal cost-cutting to make up for Allen's colossal PanAm blunder).
Another real piece of work named Harry Alger running Flight Ops.
Incompetence and personal vendettas everywhere. The jumpseat was just a pawn in the larger game.
I did not care for HA but I will give him credit for one thing. He was forced out of Delta because of his insistance that the mainline fly all Jet aircraft and his refusal to drop the issue. I personally heard him talk about that and how he felt a reasonable agreement could be reached with Alpa on the issue and all jets would be mainline. Rumor has it there were some back door talks on the issue between HA and some key Alpa figures and a deal was in the works. He was sacked for not toeing the outsoucing line.
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
I don't doubt the 744s are sticking around, but we are not getting 10 more (per the rumor).
Probably not, but you never know. There are four Boeing 744 White Tails out in VCV. Not saying they are ours, just stating they are there. Also add the airplanes that JAL is giving back to Boeing's Leasing Corporation, and there are a lot of jets that have no home. That spells opportunity for airlines that are willing to fly em.
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Old 04-07-2010, 04:09 AM
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Boeing capital lists 8 744s available for purchase or lease. 4 of them built in 2001 with less than 40,000 hours. All becoming available in 2010. The other 4 are 1992-1993 models available immediately with 3 of them in the 50,000 hour range and 1 in the 70,000 hour range.

They also list 744SFs, whats an SF?

FTB useless information.
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Old 04-07-2010, 04:25 AM
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I believe that is a Special Freighter. These numbers do not include the JAL birds.

Maybe the ones in VCV are no longer for sale... just sayin....

ACL--more useless information
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Old 04-07-2010, 04:34 AM
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Would those 4 i mentioned be the white tails or are white tails strictly airplanes that go from the manufacturer to storage?
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Old 04-07-2010, 04:40 AM
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No White Tails can be new or old. There were four that were produced and not subsequently sold.

I noticed that Boeing is also selling a lot of DC-9-32's, MD-88's, 373-300/500's and a bunch of low time 737-700/800's.

FWIW, I do not see the tail numbers listed for the ones that were in VCV two months ago.
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Old 04-07-2010, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I did not care for HA but I will give him credit for one thing. He was forced out of Delta because of his insistance that the mainline fly all Jet aircraft and his refusal to drop the issue. I personally heard him talk about that and how he felt a reasonable agreement could be reached with Alpa on the issue and all jets would be mainline. Rumor has it there were some back door talks on the issue between HA and some key Alpa figures and a deal was in the works. He was sacked for not toeing the outsoucing line.
Interesting. I did not know that about Harry.
Maybe it was Bob Shelton he was talking with.
Wasn't it about this time that management decided they wanted a new MEC Chairman so they got the state of Georgia to hit Shelton with tax fraud charges?
Bill Brown was much more... shall we say... "compliant".
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