Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-06-2010, 04:58 PM
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Hey KC, I'm glad you accepted my apology. I was way out of line, arrogant, and condescending. What a dumbass. I'm going to "share too much." I am highly opinionated which goes with the pilot territory, but I am only right about 52.3% of the time. Ha As far as the gramps comment, I actually got a big chuckle from it, but I couldn't let you know that. I may be highly opinionated, but I laugh at everything. Life is too short not to. My thoughts on this site don't reflect my true personality. I am basically a clown in a pilot suit. I distinctly remember years ago two comments from FO's when I was a 727 Captain. "Wow, you are the most laid back Captain I have ever flown with," and "Wow, you taxi faster than any Captain I have ever seen." Both comments were flags of sort and made me rethink my program. I still taxi too fast and I'm still laid back, but not to the degree I was. Too bad. Both were fun.
04-06-2010, 04:59 PM
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Among your defined group are pilots who fought against the policy of the Comair MEC (like me), those who were hired after Lawson left, and current Delta pilots (who might be on their way to work, or working for you in your right seat). The problem with your grouping is that "they all look the same."
... and the worst sin committed was to try to use Delta's furloughed pilots as bargaining chips. Lawson asked the Delta MEC for help, the Delta MEC told him "no, this isn't a negotiation." Lawson replied in kind. I don't like that either, but it IS THE DELTA MEC's JOB to protect the Delta pilots, not Comair's. The Delta MEC could have simply sidestepped the Comair MEC and worked this out with the owners of Comair, DELTA.*
Holding on to bigotry illustrates a lack of knowledge, lack of objectivity and poor judgment. I'm not talking about you, because you are smarter than that.
... and the worst sin committed was to try to use Delta's furloughed pilots as bargaining chips. Lawson asked the Delta MEC for help, the Delta MEC told him "no, this isn't a negotiation." Lawson replied in kind. I don't like that either, but it IS THE DELTA MEC's JOB to protect the Delta pilots, not Comair's. The Delta MEC could have simply sidestepped the Comair MEC and worked this out with the owners of Comair, DELTA.*
Holding on to bigotry illustrates a lack of knowledge, lack of objectivity and poor judgment. I'm not talking about you, because you are smarter than that.
Bar,
Your magnanimous attitude is admirable, but your logic is stretched a bit thin and here is where it breaks down:
ASA was in a similar situation – they chose the high road. And here is the kicker – when DAL started hiring the policy miraculously changed. What would cause this? If there truly were safety related integration issues what changed in this regard? Did COMAIR pilots who previously remained silent start turning the heat on their MEC? I wasn’t there but it stinks no matter how you look at it.
FWIW - I posted the JC Lawson letter and we as a group should not forget it, but I don’t think we should deny jump-seats over this issue. How do we know the one guy getting denied isn’t the guys who actually protested this issue from the start? Nobody wins a jumpseat war.
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04-06-2010, 05:12 PM
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Reality sucks. I like rumors like this one much better than reality. 
By the way, when the heck are we, I mean you guys, getting those 787's? Have you guys looked at that thing? OMG, that is definitely a better mouse trap. Unlike the 737 New Generation, this aircraft can truly be labled NG. The 737NG is a joke portrayed by Boeing. The 787 is real. Bring em on, even if I will never be able to fly it. Go DAL N!
04-06-2010, 05:19 PM
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Bar,
Your magnanimous attitude is admirable, but your logic is stretched a bit thin and here is where it breaks down:
ASA was in a similar situation – they chose the high road. And here is the kicker – when DAL started hiring the policy miraculously changed. What would cause this? If there truly were safety related integration issues what changed in this regard? Did COMAIR pilots who previously remained silent start turning the heat on their MEC? I wasn’t there but it stinks no matter how you look at it.
FWIW - I posted the JC Lawson letter and we as a group should not forget it, but I don’t think we should deny jump-seats over this issue. How do we know the one guy getting denied isn’t the guys who actually protested this issue from the start? Nobody wins a jumpseat war.
Scoop – Non-commuter
Your magnanimous attitude is admirable, but your logic is stretched a bit thin and here is where it breaks down:
ASA was in a similar situation – they chose the high road. And here is the kicker – when DAL started hiring the policy miraculously changed. What would cause this? If there truly were safety related integration issues what changed in this regard? Did COMAIR pilots who previously remained silent start turning the heat on their MEC? I wasn’t there but it stinks no matter how you look at it.
FWIW - I posted the JC Lawson letter and we as a group should not forget it, but I don’t think we should deny jump-seats over this issue. How do we know the one guy getting denied isn’t the guys who actually protested this issue from the start? Nobody wins a jumpseat war.
Scoop – Non-commuter
In terms of policies, I don't think this group should do that group any favor. For example, I wouldn't lose any sleep if our MEC made it a policy not to have reciprocal jumpseat with CMR. It's also beyond me that WE negotiated a preferential interview process for them, in exchange for preferential hiring. We in fact ended up paying them to right a wrong. How bizarre...
Still, when I encounter a former CMR guy at DAL, I don't discuss the former divisions between us, since he's a Delta pilot. But since they often to feel a little, you know, ...awkward about that little check to the RJDC, or simply their silence as they tacitly endorsed Lawson, then they often nervously end up "there" of their own accord. If they feel obligated to offer the traditional defensive "it-wasn't-me-it-was-Lawson" song and dance, I tell them I've already seen it, and I'm not impressed.
04-06-2010, 05:20 PM
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I would give the right one to fly the F-22. Any takers? LOL
04-06-2010, 05:22 PM
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OK sailing, you poop. You didn't even give me 10 minutes to believe in this rumor. You quickly pulled me out of LA LA land. I'm ticked and you owe me. LOL Reality sucks. I like rumors like this one much better than reality. By the way, when the heck are we, I mean you guys, getting those 787's? Have you guys looked at that thing? OMG, that is definitely a better mouse trap. Unlike the 737 New Generation, this aircraft can truly be labled NG. The 737NG is a joke portrayed by Boeing. The 787 is real. Bring em on, even if I will never be able to fly it. Go DAL N!
Reality sucks. I like rumors like this one much better than reality. By the way, when the heck are we, I mean you guys, getting those 787's? Have you guys looked at that thing? OMG, that is definitely a better mouse trap. Unlike the 737 New Generation, this aircraft can truly be labled NG. The 737NG is a joke portrayed by Boeing. The 787 is real. Bring em on, even if I will never be able to fly it. Go DAL N!http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ing-69055.html
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04-06-2010, 05:25 PM
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Yes that is correct, NWA ordered 100 seaters for us in the late 1960s.
That sucks.
Speaking of being denied jumpseats, I ran to a CAL cockpit one time trying to get a jumpseat home or to work, I honestly can't remember, I just know I was happy to have made it on time. At the time I had been at Coex for a few months or a year, I can't remember, it was before 9/11 for sure. But I asked for the jumpseat, kind as ever, and the Captain wouldn't look at me. He wanted to know if I had voted for IACP (Continental's union) or ALPA before he'd let me on, problem was I was on probation and not allowed to vote. I explained that, he said who would you have voted for. The FO gave me a signal to say no, so I did, he let me on. I didn't know much about unions, scabs or strikes back then but I learned, it'd be fun to run into that situation now.
What an *******, but he's probably like IAH LEC rep or something now, thats how those guys work.
P.S. Tangent not directed at forgot to bid: Many years ago, I was traveling through DEN and needed to JS on UAL Express. I was denied the request twice and finally had to buy an expensive last minute ticket to get where I was going. The Captain said, "If we can't ride on Delta, then you can't ride on us." It sucked and I was ticked, but he did have a point. It was futile to explain to him that management wouldn't give us the jumpseat. The bottom line was that we hadn't paid management enough to get it.
Speaking of being denied jumpseats, I ran to a CAL cockpit one time trying to get a jumpseat home or to work, I honestly can't remember, I just know I was happy to have made it on time. At the time I had been at Coex for a few months or a year, I can't remember, it was before 9/11 for sure. But I asked for the jumpseat, kind as ever, and the Captain wouldn't look at me. He wanted to know if I had voted for IACP (Continental's union) or ALPA before he'd let me on, problem was I was on probation and not allowed to vote. I explained that, he said who would you have voted for. The FO gave me a signal to say no, so I did, he let me on. I didn't know much about unions, scabs or strikes back then but I learned, it'd be fun to run into that situation now.
What an *******, but he's probably like IAH LEC rep or something now, thats how those guys work.
04-06-2010, 05:32 PM
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Here you go.
04-06-2010, 05:34 PM
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I thought the increase in DFW flying was due to Continental leaving Skyteam and not due to JAL.
04-06-2010, 05:35 PM
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The jumpseat was high cost because it was personal with Ron Allen.
He hated pilots. It was not "just business" for him. It was personal.
Denying the jumpseat was his little power play. (among others)
My theory?
Ron Allen had a very small Johnson and spent his whole life compensating.
The only good thing that happened in bankruptcy was that we were able to dump most of his lifetime perks.
He hated pilots. It was not "just business" for him. It was personal.
Denying the jumpseat was his little power play. (among others)
My theory?
Ron Allen had a very small Johnson and spent his whole life compensating.
The only good thing that happened in bankruptcy was that we were able to dump most of his lifetime perks.
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