Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-06-2010, 11:48 AM
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04-06-2010, 11:54 AM
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Orthodontia and flying boxes around is where it's at. There is no way a 747 should pay the same as a 777. Check out the difference between SWA's and DAL 737 rates. $206 versus our $168. Wow! They make almost the same as our 747 guys.
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04-06-2010, 11:57 AM
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04-06-2010, 11:58 AM
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04-06-2010, 11:59 AM
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04-06-2010, 12:01 PM
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What's Up with MSP -88?
I guess I don't understand how the conversion is supposed to work. My impression was, AE's convert first in seniority order, followed by MD's in reverse seniority order. Is that wrong?
I MD'd to MSP because I could hold a line there. For May, at least, I am a very junior reserve, even though eventually I should be around 60%. What happened? Why are people who AE'd into MSP, and who are junior to me, not there already? How long should I expect to be on reserve?
Is there anything I can do about this? Can I volunteer to sit RSV in SLC (way closer to home)? Is there any chance they'll allow that?
I MD'd to MSP because I could hold a line there. For May, at least, I am a very junior reserve, even though eventually I should be around 60%. What happened? Why are people who AE'd into MSP, and who are junior to me, not there already? How long should I expect to be on reserve?
Is there anything I can do about this? Can I volunteer to sit RSV in SLC (way closer to home)? Is there any chance they'll allow that?
04-06-2010, 12:08 PM
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It goes by original seat not destination seat. So there may have been some pilots on other seats that did not have as many VD's or were at the bottom of their seat's MD list.
It has nothing to do with where you are going, it has to do with were you start.
It has nothing to do with where you are going, it has to do with were you start.
04-06-2010, 12:09 PM
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Read it yourself Fellas. Here is a sample of COMAIR's treatment of DAL Pilots. The icing on the cake was that as soon as DAL started recalling/hiring COMAIR changed this policy - what a joke.
Scoop
TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman DATE
ecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier. We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533
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TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman DATE
ecember 16, 2002 Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier. We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533
I keep a copy of this in my flight kit on the off chance a comair pilot wants to ride the jumpseat...the answer's NO.
04-06-2010, 12:11 PM
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FtB;
Also remember that AMR still has a pension as do FDX and UPS. In regards to company cost per pilot we are in the middle of the pack and SWA leads the pack at about 6.00 per hr per seat. We are in the 3.50 range.
Mesabah;
Past actions maybe, but going forward the company got rid of one of their biggest tools to make a pilot group blink, the DB. That is now gone. Just think about that.
Also remember that AMR still has a pension as do FDX and UPS. In regards to company cost per pilot we are in the middle of the pack and SWA leads the pack at about 6.00 per hr per seat. We are in the 3.50 range.
Mesabah;
Past actions maybe, but going forward the company got rid of one of their biggest tools to make a pilot group blink, the DB. That is now gone. Just think about that.
04-06-2010, 12:24 PM
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FTB.....can you find the definitive KLM/AF payrates converted to USD$?
Anyone? I could not get a figure that was concrete to back up the here say on the street.
Anyone? I could not get a figure that was concrete to back up the here say on the street.
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