Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-06-2010, 05:33 AM
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04-06-2010, 05:36 AM
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Grandpa, times have changed. There are other companies who ran circles around your non-productive work rules of decades past. The result was that your company, as well as the others with pilots of your mindset, went bankrupt -- or damn near close to it. Those days are gone, long gone. As much as I'd love to have them back, as we say in the south, it ain't happening.
Also, I'm not going back to the military. Sorry. Maybe you should move on?
Also, I'm not going back to the military. Sorry. Maybe you should move on?
04-06-2010, 05:38 AM
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Good Lord Man,
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Learn it, Love it, Live it....
Nu
par·a·graph
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2. a paragraph mark.
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4. to divide into paragraphs.
5. to write or publish paragraphs about, as in a newspaper.
6. to express in a paragraph.
Learn it, Love it, Live it....
Nu
04-06-2010, 05:39 AM
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Most of these bases were very small with one category and limited numbers of pilots. SFO, SEA, PDX, MSY, MIA were all closed 15 to 20 years ago. MCO was a express only base that was only open for a few years. DFW is the only large base that has been closed. DFW also had a large number of pilots flying out of there commuting to other bases even before it closed so there are a large number of commuting pilots from that area.
04-06-2010, 05:42 AM
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T;
You deleted your post. Instead of copying it in I will just reply.
The difference is that when a company moves an employee in the 100K+ a year income range the move is paid for, the house is either bought, or housing is provided until it is sold, etc. Our moving benefits are contractual, and due to their limits people opt not to move.
If we want more pilots moving to their bases every few years, these types of things need to be done. I know that my wife's company offered three weeks of vacation, fully paid move with no weight limit, Realtor's fees, utility fees, house bought at loan price or market price, whichever was higher, and housing in the interim.
This is not a corporate executive move. This is a move for someone that is in the 100K range that is relocating with the SAME company.
Of course we opted not to move since I would be commuting, but that was their offer. Saying that people move all of the time for 100K+ a year jobs is true when the moves are paid for. Saying they do it with out a paid move is not so true, they only do that when they are relocating to a new job. Also FWIW, I know many ppl that work outside of this industry that commute for work. Many are on our jets, and their tickets are paid for by their company. Some even make less than 100K a year.
(I understand that with 12000 pilots and 20,000 FA's that is not totally realistic, my point is that there are other options and companies make these types of arrangements all of the time)
You deleted your post. Instead of copying it in I will just reply.
The difference is that when a company moves an employee in the 100K+ a year income range the move is paid for, the house is either bought, or housing is provided until it is sold, etc. Our moving benefits are contractual, and due to their limits people opt not to move.
If we want more pilots moving to their bases every few years, these types of things need to be done. I know that my wife's company offered three weeks of vacation, fully paid move with no weight limit, Realtor's fees, utility fees, house bought at loan price or market price, whichever was higher, and housing in the interim.
This is not a corporate executive move. This is a move for someone that is in the 100K range that is relocating with the SAME company.
Of course we opted not to move since I would be commuting, but that was their offer. Saying that people move all of the time for 100K+ a year jobs is true when the moves are paid for. Saying they do it with out a paid move is not so true, they only do that when they are relocating to a new job. Also FWIW, I know many ppl that work outside of this industry that commute for work. Many are on our jets, and their tickets are paid for by their company. Some even make less than 100K a year.
(I understand that with 12000 pilots and 20,000 FA's that is not totally realistic, my point is that there are other options and companies make these types of arrangements all of the time)
04-06-2010, 05:43 AM
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04-06-2010, 05:46 AM
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I think his idea of work rules and work ethic, as a negotiating position, is far superior to running to the company with my tail in the air like a cat in heat.
Everything is negotiable. I for one, prefer to bargain from strength, real or perceived, than depend on the goodness of the company's heart for my paycheck.
Nu
Everything is negotiable. I for one, prefer to bargain from strength, real or perceived, than depend on the goodness of the company's heart for my paycheck.
Nu
04-06-2010, 05:51 AM
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Ah T, I think you are incorrect. Eternal optimist maybe, but there is only one way to find out!
I agree we need to lobby DC for a time limit on NMB contract talks. 12-18 months no more.
I agree we need to lobby DC for a time limit on NMB contract talks. 12-18 months no more.
04-06-2010, 05:52 AM
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When you click on "edit options" this stuff shows up on the right side of the screen. Choose to accept pm's so acl can sell you some amway!!!
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04-06-2010, 05:55 AM
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My appologies to Scoop, KC and the rest of you guys. I sometimes get preachy and long winded when I haven't taken my FAA approved depression medication. (tongue in cheek) I'm much better this morning.
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