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04-05-2010, 06:17 PM
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No - UNLIKE commuting, training is NOT a choice. BTW, paying for those hotel rooms DOES cost me money, but I'm willing to pay that for those pilots. See, I can be reasonable...
04-05-2010, 06:19 PM
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U must read my post to better understand that seemingly arrogant statement. Believe me, that statement is of good intention. If you don't like it, please feel free to criticize me for it. Sometimes I may overstep my actual knowledge and beliefs. It is pilots like you who ultimately keep me in line.
Short story: Flying a full 727. Russian pilots aboard. Hard landing ensues (FO of course, Ha). Pax deplaning with nasty comment after nasty comment. Finally the Russian crew approaches the FO reluctantly saying goodbye. The Russian Captain slowly steps up to the FO and says in a heavy Russian accent, "Remember, ------it is EASY to criticize." True story.
Pine, it is easy to criticize, but please check out the intent, meaning, and direction before doing so. I love ya man.
04-05-2010, 06:20 PM
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Cant believe you are still at it with this "Commuting is a choice" crap. Get your head out of the sand.
04-05-2010, 06:23 PM
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So, under your theory, think about how much better the company could be if we all worked for FREE!
WOW, just think how successful the New Delta would be!
While we're at it, the MEC (at one point) said RJs are good for the company. Why don't we let them have all of them they could possible desire. Same goes for the widebodies.
Then, as we sit in the unemployment line, we can stare in marvel at the CNBC story about how great the New Delta is doing.
Ahhh, what glory....
Nu
WOW, just think how successful the New Delta would be!
While we're at it, the MEC (at one point) said RJs are good for the company. Why don't we let them have all of them they could possible desire. Same goes for the widebodies.
Then, as we sit in the unemployment line, we can stare in marvel at the CNBC story about how great the New Delta is doing.
Ahhh, what glory....
Nu
04-05-2010, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
THE COMMUTING ISSUE: (Good point Rocky!) My disclaimer, I'm not a commuter, but--------
OK, here comes another history lesson and reminder from the old guy (me) and even more importantly, the old guys that I flew with when I was a young guy. You don’t have to listen, and you may not care to, but you will find that for the most part I have an agenda. My agenda is to return our profession to its once grandeur nature where we were well respected and well compensated. Are you with me so far? It is a huge undertaking to say the least, but it can be accomplished to a degree. I hope you stubborn and know it all new guys will pay attention. I used to be one of you until I learned that I didn’t know squat. Only the guys before me forging the way had true knowledge of our endeavor. I can only hope to now be considered one of those guys. I am truly on your side.
The commuting topic has much further reaching implications than anyone has addressed so far. Damn, that means I am the old guy here. Ha I’m not going to get too deep here, but the commuting topic brings up another history lesson and reminder of which I will attempt to share with you. This profession used to absolutely rock, but since we have been forced to give so many concessions over the last 20 years, things have drastically changed. This is understandable do to cyclical economics, but the problem is, is that these adverse changes have been in place so long now, that they have become completely and unnecessarily accepted by all pilot groups as the NORM. The majority of the pilots now on the list, truly do not know how fricking good it used to be. I see so many posts from so many that reflect this NORM. My hope is to break these thoughts as the NORM. These are the thoughts that limit us from recovering our past. Our past was incredibly better than our now. Damn it, Get with the program. Ha
Airline Pilots in the past were (overly) highly compensated and had loads of time off. Captains I flew with would disgustingly brag about their mansion homes and second vacation homes. Then they would let us know that they only worked about 6 months of the year. Many of them were commuting from exotic places and living the life. Apart from the bragging part, we all excitingly aspired to be just like them. I knew Captains that commuted from the Islands, Bangkok, and many other places around the world. The Pan Am guys were famous for this. I was never in a position to do that, but I still want it. Do you? Or do you think that commuting from Dayton to DTW is a sin? My God man, (slapped your face) we are airline pilots! Don’t jump on the concession band wagon.
Problem: Understandably, some of you guys are stuck in the so called NORM, and do not understand how it was, and how it could be again. Airline pilots are free spirits, not cattle. We should be able to commute from Cancun, or Moscow, or wherever else we desire. If you subscribe to the idea that we should work 82 hours per month, sell all vacation pay so we can work more, be limited in where we live and commuting is an evil choice, then I say you have no business being an airline pilot and should return to the military or wherever it is you came from. Domestic commuting?????, R U jackin me, let’s talk about International commuting.
The Cost: Yes there is a cost to this. As in my previous posts which caught a lot of flak, there is a cost for every single item we want. Making commutable trips is one of them. Having said this, long range commutes certainly become the burden of the commuter and not the responsibility of the company to ensure commutable trips. Nature of the beast.
Moral of this story: It took over 50 years to get what we had, but it only took 5 years to lose it all. Let’s get our act together and get it back. Are you with me? Cause if you’re not with me, you must be against me. LOL
LETS GET IT BACK!
Grandpa, times have changed. There are other companies who ran circles around your non-productive work rules of decades past. The result was that your company, as well as the others with pilots of your mindset, went bankrupt -- or damn near close to it. Those days are gone, long gone. As much as I'd love to have them back, as we say in the south, it ain't happening.
Also, I'm not going back to the military. Sorry. Maybe you should move on?
Waves,
I was going to say pretty much the same thing as posted above by KC10 but without the disparaging Grandpa remark, although I must admit, it is pretty funny.
Scoop
Originally Posted by Waves
THE COMMUTING ISSUE: (Good point Rocky!) My disclaimer, I'm not a commuter, but--------
OK, here comes another history lesson and reminder from the old guy (me) and even more importantly, the old guys that I flew with when I was a young guy. You don’t have to listen, and you may not care to, but you will find that for the most part I have an agenda. My agenda is to return our profession to its once grandeur nature where we were well respected and well compensated. Are you with me so far? It is a huge undertaking to say the least, but it can be accomplished to a degree. I hope you stubborn and know it all new guys will pay attention. I used to be one of you until I learned that I didn’t know squat. Only the guys before me forging the way had true knowledge of our endeavor. I can only hope to now be considered one of those guys. I am truly on your side.
The commuting topic has much further reaching implications than anyone has addressed so far. Damn, that means I am the old guy here. Ha I’m not going to get too deep here, but the commuting topic brings up another history lesson and reminder of which I will attempt to share with you. This profession used to absolutely rock, but since we have been forced to give so many concessions over the last 20 years, things have drastically changed. This is understandable do to cyclical economics, but the problem is, is that these adverse changes have been in place so long now, that they have become completely and unnecessarily accepted by all pilot groups as the NORM. The majority of the pilots now on the list, truly do not know how fricking good it used to be. I see so many posts from so many that reflect this NORM. My hope is to break these thoughts as the NORM. These are the thoughts that limit us from recovering our past. Our past was incredibly better than our now. Damn it, Get with the program. Ha
Airline Pilots in the past were (overly) highly compensated and had loads of time off. Captains I flew with would disgustingly brag about their mansion homes and second vacation homes. Then they would let us know that they only worked about 6 months of the year. Many of them were commuting from exotic places and living the life. Apart from the bragging part, we all excitingly aspired to be just like them. I knew Captains that commuted from the Islands, Bangkok, and many other places around the world. The Pan Am guys were famous for this. I was never in a position to do that, but I still want it. Do you? Or do you think that commuting from Dayton to DTW is a sin? My God man, (slapped your face) we are airline pilots! Don’t jump on the concession band wagon.
Problem: Understandably, some of you guys are stuck in the so called NORM, and do not understand how it was, and how it could be again. Airline pilots are free spirits, not cattle. We should be able to commute from Cancun, or Moscow, or wherever else we desire. If you subscribe to the idea that we should work 82 hours per month, sell all vacation pay so we can work more, be limited in where we live and commuting is an evil choice, then I say you have no business being an airline pilot and should return to the military or wherever it is you came from. Domestic commuting?????, R U jackin me, let’s talk about International commuting.
The Cost: Yes there is a cost to this. As in my previous posts which caught a lot of flak, there is a cost for every single item we want. Making commutable trips is one of them. Having said this, long range commutes certainly become the burden of the commuter and not the responsibility of the company to ensure commutable trips. Nature of the beast.
Moral of this story: It took over 50 years to get what we had, but it only took 5 years to lose it all. Let’s get our act together and get it back. Are you with me? Cause if you’re not with me, you must be against me. LOL
LETS GET IT BACK!
Grandpa, times have changed. There are other companies who ran circles around your non-productive work rules of decades past. The result was that your company, as well as the others with pilots of your mindset, went bankrupt -- or damn near close to it. Those days are gone, long gone. As much as I'd love to have them back, as we say in the south, it ain't happening.
Also, I'm not going back to the military. Sorry. Maybe you should move on?
Waves,
I was going to say pretty much the same thing as posted above by KC10 but without the disparaging Grandpa remark, although I must admit, it is pretty funny.
Scoop
04-05-2010, 06:24 PM
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Ahh, Gnewt, you just never mind.
See, a comment against Mother Detla is a comment against a Delta South Pilot. Don't you see that?
No matter how inane, complicated, antiquated, ridiculous, or just plain stupid something is at Delta, it is not your place to comment, jest, rail against or even mention, because if you do so, you are directly questioning the marital status of the parents of each and every Delta South Pilot.
How dare you.
Seriously...there was plenty that was stupid at NWA. Be that as it may, the corporate tradition, if you can call it that, at NWA was to point out crap that needed to be fixed. Sometimes, the points made had to be sharper than others, and sometimes it got a little noisy.
But it worked. Stuff got fixed. And sometimes, it got fixed in a hurry. This is so much better that sitting here caterwauling about how things will never change or we "just have to live with it".
If you have an issue, call your reps. Call your friends to call their reps. Make it KNOWN what it is that bothers you and needs to be fixed.
Sorry if this goes against "Southern Tradition", but post merger, this ain't your daddy's Delta. It is what it is.
Nu
See, a comment against Mother Detla is a comment against a Delta South Pilot. Don't you see that?
No matter how inane, complicated, antiquated, ridiculous, or just plain stupid something is at Delta, it is not your place to comment, jest, rail against or even mention, because if you do so, you are directly questioning the marital status of the parents of each and every Delta South Pilot.
How dare you.
Seriously...there was plenty that was stupid at NWA. Be that as it may, the corporate tradition, if you can call it that, at NWA was to point out crap that needed to be fixed. Sometimes, the points made had to be sharper than others, and sometimes it got a little noisy.
But it worked. Stuff got fixed. And sometimes, it got fixed in a hurry. This is so much better that sitting here caterwauling about how things will never change or we "just have to live with it".
If you have an issue, call your reps. Call your friends to call their reps. Make it KNOWN what it is that bothers you and needs to be fixed.
Sorry if this goes against "Southern Tradition", but post merger, this ain't your daddy's Delta. It is what it is.
Nu
At this point I'd settle for fixing that stupid time card thing. Any of you lurking Ns figure that POS out yet? It took calling a rep to get a problem fixed.
Gnewt
04-05-2010, 06:25 PM
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04-05-2010, 06:27 PM
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04-05-2010, 06:28 PM
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04-05-2010, 06:28 PM
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