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They did it because ALPA stated the Comair MEC could not get its' own scope that bound Delta to the allocation of RJ flying. The Comair MEC correctly foresaw the whipsaw that would result in the majority of the flying Comair had traditionally performed being outsourced to non union and non ALPA members.
Lawson tried to get the Delta pilots to negotiate with him. He would gladly help change Comair Management's policy if the Delta MEC would help change ALPA's policy towards scope that shut out the Comair pilots.
In my opinion it was wrong to use furloughed pilots as bargaining chips but consider:
Frankly, I'm surprised the Delta pilots were dumb enough to fall for it.
Lawson tried to get the Delta pilots to negotiate with him. He would gladly help change Comair Management's policy if the Delta MEC would help change ALPA's policy towards scope that shut out the Comair pilots.
In my opinion it was wrong to use furloughed pilots as bargaining chips but consider:
- The Delta MEC could have simply negotiated with Delta management who owned and controlled Comair.
- The Delta MEC could have helped Comair secure its flying and keep more flying inside ALPA (rather than Teamsters and SkyWest)
- The Comair pilots' nightmare scenario came true.
Frankly, I'm surprised the Delta pilots were dumb enough to fall for it.
Wow. Lots of revisionist history in that post.
I agree the Delta MEC Chairman was clueless about scope or just didn't care because it didn't affect his seniority.
(some would say that situation hasn't changed).
But c'mon-
JC Lawson was a visionary? Bull$h|T.
He was a political hack who bought into the wet-dreams of Dan Ford, Jesse Ashcraft and the other lifers who thought they had won the lottery when Delta bought Comair. Those guys truly believed they would become overnight 767 Captains.
JC Lawson was the RJDC's poodle.
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For all the Delta communications which allege "the Comair pilots demanded Date of Hire" there is not one single scrap of paper, nor anyone's notes, which point to any such statement ever having been made.
Another way to figure this out is to ask "what makes sense?" When it was ALPA policy to decide IF a merger was to take place before submitting HOW the merger was to be implemented, why is it such a stretch to believe pilots would follow those procedures sequentially, like a checklist?
The DCI guys took the high road and got slaughtered at the BOD meeting.
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Scoop,
This letter will haunt that group for the rest of their existence. While I admire them for walking out for 89 days when a great many of them had no savings, etc., JC took a golden opportunity and turned it into a self serving endeavor. Now that the majority of Comair employees will be out on the street next month, it will only be a matter of time I believe before the above ground employees feel the final sting. Wonder how that preferential hiring would have looked four years ago to that group?
This letter will haunt that group for the rest of their existence. While I admire them for walking out for 89 days when a great many of them had no savings, etc., JC took a golden opportunity and turned it into a self serving endeavor. Now that the majority of Comair employees will be out on the street next month, it will only be a matter of time I believe before the above ground employees feel the final sting. Wonder how that preferential hiring would have looked four years ago to that group?
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JC Lawson was a visionary? Bull$h|T.
He was a political hack who bought into the wet-dreams of Dan Ford, Jesse Ashcraft and the other lifers who thought they had won the lottery when Delta bought Comair. Those guys truly believed they would become overnight 767 Captains.
JC Lawson was the RJDC's poodle.
He was a political hack who bought into the wet-dreams of Dan Ford, Jesse Ashcraft and the other lifers who thought they had won the lottery when Delta bought Comair. Those guys truly believed they would become overnight 767 Captains.
JC Lawson was the RJDC's poodle.
Lawson was no visionary, it was very easy to see what was going to happen. Delta ordered 500+ RJ's and they were going somewhere. ALPA refused to allow ASA or Comair to negotiate scope which would allow them to "capture" these airplanes. Delta management was intensely outsourcing everything and wanted many players in the portfolio to compete against ASA and Comair.
The model, as explained to me by Delta employee and ASA's President, Brian LeBreque, was to cycle the airplanes through carriers to avoid any pilots achieving more than 5 years of longevity. By forcing pilots to re-start their careers at zero, the airline could avoid the legacy costs of senior employees.
In Comair's case they were (are) a senior airline with a good contract which equals high costs. They were (did) get slaughtered when flying was being awarded competitively. Lawson did see this coming. His letter was a protest to the fact he had been shut out of negotiations which effected the future of his airline.
... and ... cite the example where a status quo merger put RJ pilots into the left seat of 767's. That's a fairy tale. Again, a merger by status quo is a staple. I actually have the draft of the DCI SLI presentation that was NEVER MADE somewhere. What they would have wanted (if it had ever got that far) is protections which would have allowed them to keep the left seat of their RJ's.
I haven't revised any history ... but now let me try a little speculation. What would have happened if the ASA and Comair pilots would have gotten their PID at the 2000 ALPA BOD meeting?
- Delta pilots would be performing very nearly 100% of Delta flying
- Delta would not have been incentivized to buy (or lease) nearly 700 RJ's
- It is highly unlikely any Delta pilots would have been furloughed (the ASA & Comair pilots would have hit the street instead)
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