Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-05-2010, 10:53 AM
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Whether they are directly related or not, Comair is paying dearly for their past actions. I've been told it will continue.
04-05-2010, 10:54 AM
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Read it yourself Fellas. Here is a sample of COMAIR's treatment of DAL Pilots. The icing on the cake was that as soon as DAL started recalling/hiring COMAIR changed this policy - what a joke.
Scoop
TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman DATE
ecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier. We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533
Scoop
TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman DATE
ecember 16, 2002 Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier. We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533
Last edited by Scoop; 04-05-2010 at 11:35 AM.
04-05-2010, 10:55 AM
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Agree 100%. My biggest gripe with the CMR group as a whole was that no one back then stood up at an LEC meeting and said the direction the MEC was going was wrong. The silence in my opinion condoned the MEC's actions. Sad.
04-05-2010, 11:00 AM
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Read it yourself Fellas. Here is a sample of COMAIR's treatment of DAL Pilots.
Scoop
TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman DATEecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier. We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533
Scoop
TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman DATE
ecember 16, 2002 Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier. We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533
This letter will haunt that group for the rest of their existence. While I admire them for walking out for 89 days when a great many of them had no savings, etc., JC took a golden opportunity and turned it into a self serving endeavor. Now that the majority of Comair employees will be out on the street next month, it will only be a matter of time I believe before the above ground employees feel the final sting. Wonder how that preferential hiring would have looked four years ago to that group?
04-05-2010, 11:00 AM
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Arrogance and blind obedience and allegiance to a guy named JC Lawson and his minions on the MEC.
Not sure if he commutes to JFK now but there was a LCA over there named Joe Underwood. When the initial 400 guys were getting the boot in Nov. '01, he posted on the national ALPA forums:
"Hope you guys have fun working at Home Depot while I take your jobs on the 70 seater."
Never forgot that utter slap and contempt shown to his fellow "brothers". Anyone doing the NYC-CVG flights should keep his name in mind. I'd love to personally meet him.
Not sure if he commutes to JFK now but there was a LCA over there named Joe Underwood. When the initial 400 guys were getting the boot in Nov. '01, he posted on the national ALPA forums:
"Hope you guys have fun working at Home Depot while I take your jobs on the 70 seater."
Never forgot that utter slap and contempt shown to his fellow "brothers". Anyone doing the NYC-CVG flights should keep his name in mind. I'd love to personally meet him.
04-05-2010, 11:07 AM
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I still have that letter and know many that keep it in their bag and show it to OH pilots who JS. Many who were not there at the time, but need to know it.
04-05-2010, 11:12 AM
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With the current ALV system most senior guys have very little room for WS's. You also run into 30 and 7 and 30 and 100 issues. Rarely have I seen a pilot WS after getting a GS unless they needed the time to reach the GS trigger.
04-05-2010, 11:17 AM
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In reference to the comair thing:
I don't understand why DAL management accepts resignation letters from furloughed guys. To me it seems like management is saying "we don't need you right now, but we don't want you flying anywhere else while your out of a job." I always admired AA's position on this issue, telling their furloughees not to worry because they will simply throw a resignation from a furloughee in the trash.
Am I wrong?
I don't understand why DAL management accepts resignation letters from furloughed guys. To me it seems like management is saying "we don't need you right now, but we don't want you flying anywhere else while your out of a job." I always admired AA's position on this issue, telling their furloughees not to worry because they will simply throw a resignation from a furloughee in the trash.
Am I wrong?
04-05-2010, 12:08 PM
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Scoop,
This letter will haunt that group for the rest of their existence. While I admire them for walking out for 89 days when a great many of them had no savings, etc., JC took a golden opportunity and turned it into a self serving endeavor. Now that the majority of Comair employees will be out on the street next month, it will only be a matter of time I believe before the above ground employees feel the final sting. Wonder how that preferential hiring would have looked four years ago to that group?
This letter will haunt that group for the rest of their existence. While I admire them for walking out for 89 days when a great many of them had no savings, etc., JC took a golden opportunity and turned it into a self serving endeavor. Now that the majority of Comair employees will be out on the street next month, it will only be a matter of time I believe before the above ground employees feel the final sting. Wonder how that preferential hiring would have looked four years ago to that group?
Wise man once told me.
"It is human nature for one to do what is in best nature for themselves"
04-05-2010, 12:10 PM
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Md88 Oe
Anyone finish initial training on the MD88 recently that knows how many days you're typically off before starting OE? Is it backed up at all or are you out on a trip within a few days of your checkride? I need a particular day off about a week after finishing in the sim and I'm just wondering what my chances are for having it off. Thanks for any insight anyone can provide.
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