Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-05-2010, 08:11 AM
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Some at NWA insisted on lots of 5 day trips. That would be the commuters. The other some of us that do not commute hate 5 day trips and do not insist on them. I just hope there are enough to make the commuters happy without forcing the leftovers on the rest of us be it north or south.
I'm glad they're gone, & I'm glad the PWA doesn't allow them.
04-05-2010, 08:27 AM
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Care to run that by me again?
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04-05-2010, 08:34 AM
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Point is, many are worried that NWA's deal with Alaska allows them to replace you on flights between "hubs" like SEA - ATL. Others have noticed AS replaced us in LAX San Cabo and several other markets (the one with an all inclusive on the beach just sticks in my memory for some reason).
Company and ALPA say AS is not replacing us. That SEA is not a hub and we don't code share on THAT flight. Meanwhile the duck spotters think they have a duck spotted based on it's Anatidae like characteristics.
Company and ALPA say AS is not replacing us. That SEA is not a hub and we don't code share on THAT flight. Meanwhile the duck spotters think they have a duck spotted based on it's Anatidae like characteristics.
Anyway, this isn't the first time DAL has done this. I beleive they did same sort of thing with AeroMexico out of LAX as well. I can't prove it, but it sure looked like it.
04-05-2010, 08:37 AM
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Speaking of underboob, on a lighter note-http://www.pressherald.com/news/Women-march-topless-in-Portland-without-incident.html
04-05-2010, 08:56 AM
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So... With a GSWC in regards to pay:
My trip A(4day): JUN04-JUN07 = 21:00 pay & credit (normal)
GSWC trip B(4day): JUN03-06 =21:00 pay/no credit
Does the GSWC pay: 21:00 trip A pay/credit + 21:00 pay/no credit?
Ttl: 21:00 credit and 42:00 pay?
I guess this benefit is to get double pay for a trip when you were going to be at work anyway? (not as a triple pay situation?)
and the normal GS is working for double pay on otherwise days off?
This would appear to me that it is in my (and pretty much any pilot's) best interest to use GSWC as much as possible to utilize the rules of the PWA to the fullest extent.
The drawback is you are risking that another pilot would pick up a trip at WS or normal GS and not allow you to maximize pay opportunities, but to each their own....more risk more potential reward
My trip A(4day): JUN04-JUN07 = 21:00 pay & credit (normal)
GSWC trip B(4day): JUN03-06 =21:00 pay/no credit
Does the GSWC pay: 21:00 trip A pay/credit + 21:00 pay/no credit?
Ttl: 21:00 credit and 42:00 pay?
I guess this benefit is to get double pay for a trip when you were going to be at work anyway? (not as a triple pay situation?)
and the normal GS is working for double pay on otherwise days off?
This would appear to me that it is in my (and pretty much any pilot's) best interest to use GSWC as much as possible to utilize the rules of the PWA to the fullest extent.
The drawback is you are risking that another pilot would pick up a trip at WS or normal GS and not allow you to maximize pay opportunities, but to each their own....more risk more potential reward
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04-05-2010, 09:13 AM
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So... With a GSWC in regards to pay:
My trip A(4day): JUN04-JUN07 = 21:00 pay & credit (normal)
GSWC trip B(4day): JUN03-06 =21:00 pay/no credit
Does the GSWC pay: 21:00 trip A pay/credit + 21:00 pay/no credit?
Ttl: 21:00 credit and 42:00 pay?
I guess this benefit is to get double pay for a trip when you were going to be at work anyway? (not as a triple pay situation?)
and the normal GS is working for double pay on otherwise days off?
This would appear to me that it is in my (and pretty much any pilot's) best interest to use GSWC as much as possible to utilize the rules of the PWA to the fullest extent.
The drawback is you are risking that another pilot would pick up a trip at WS or normal GS and not allow you to maximize pay opportunities, but to each their own....more risk more potential reward
My trip A(4day): JUN04-JUN07 = 21:00 pay & credit (normal)
GSWC trip B(4day): JUN03-06 =21:00 pay/no credit
Does the GSWC pay: 21:00 trip A pay/credit + 21:00 pay/no credit?
Ttl: 21:00 credit and 42:00 pay?
I guess this benefit is to get double pay for a trip when you were going to be at work anyway? (not as a triple pay situation?)
and the normal GS is working for double pay on otherwise days off?
This would appear to me that it is in my (and pretty much any pilot's) best interest to use GSWC as much as possible to utilize the rules of the PWA to the fullest extent.
The drawback is you are risking that another pilot would pick up a trip at WS or normal GS and not allow you to maximize pay opportunities, but to each their own....more risk more potential reward
Your last sentence is exactly why this is a difficult strategy to pull off. This happened when we had Delta Express, and that is EXACTLY why we got the language we now have for GSWC. Those guys played the game, and everybody did it. In the current case, it really isn't worth it. You will have too many regular GS and WS to make it fly. Especially since the reserve system sucks the big one, and it will be a case of the senior guys making out like bandits, and reserves working their a$$ off. I am not advocating either strategy, but I don't think the payout will be worth it to enough guys.
04-05-2010, 09:15 AM
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AA and JB in JFK is another piece of this puzzle.
...just sayin'
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04-05-2010, 09:22 AM
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I agree. It becomes a question of if a Code Share is good enough or to get the full benefits we need to acquire them.
04-05-2010, 09:24 AM
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Your last sentence is exactly why this is a difficult strategy to pull off. This happened when we had Delta Express, and that is EXACTLY why we got the language we now have for GSWC. Those guys played the game, and everybody did it. In the current case, it really isn't worth it. You will have too many regular GS and WS to make it fly. Especially since the reserve system sucks the big one, and it will be a case of the senior guys making out like bandits, and reserves working their a$$ off. I am not advocating either strategy, but I don't think the payout will be worth it to enough guys.
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04-05-2010, 09:24 AM
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Going back to the 5 day trips, you can have them. I'm in Memphis and suddenly we're full of them. I do find it odd that everyone hear demands them, yet as one of the most junior block holders down here, or back in DTW when I was there, I usually ended up with 3 5-day trips a month.
I'm guessing MEM is seeing them just to keep us busy and prevent our closure. We basically leave MEM and may see it once during those 5 days, when we return. I do miss our 1 day FL turns, those were the glory days.
I'm guessing MEM is seeing them just to keep us busy and prevent our closure. We basically leave MEM and may see it once during those 5 days, when we return. I do miss our 1 day FL turns, those were the glory days.
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