Waves

I'm not a spelling or word Nazi and don't take this the wrong way, but just FYI, there is no such word as Irregardless. It is just regardless.

1234

Did they say that they would take a look into the issue? It appears that is a common response when our technology doesn't work...."I have no idea" and everyone is fine with that answer. The issue doesn't get investigated and/or elevated and is not taken care of.

acl65pilot

You need to go to Delta.com find the fare you want and then go to Travelnet and book it. Other combinations will not give you the same fare.

Waves

Yes that is absolutely correct as well. Boeing would not stand behind the after market winglets. That was probably a bigger deal killer than the disappointing fuel figures. I still can't remember why the winglets prevented us from using flaps 40, but I think it was because of unknown wing stresses from the mod. Once we were at flaps 30, we would put a cup over the flap handle to prevent us from inadvertently going to flaps 40. The hush kits also prevented flaps 40, but the handle was actually locked out so one could not select flaps 40 at all. Oh, those were the days. HA

Bill Lumberg

Do we get an employee discount when buying off of Delta.com?

acl65pilot

Yep, watch out. I beleive the taxes are on a higher fare ticket. The taxes were not this way under the old system. Maybe there is a bug. Most tickets have at least 60 dollars and fees. They are always double the taxes and fees that are on delta.com.

acl65pilot

Nope. Just of the "Fly Confirmed for Less" It is a variable rate off of the lowest fare plus taxes and fees. The deals are not as good, but I beleive that they will appear better as fares go up.

alfaromeo

That attitude is why this MEC and this pilot group will fail if things don't change. You have one MEC and one administration. Either they act in unison or we will be picked apart just like what happened in the Red/Green book issues at your union. There is no such thing as a "north" issue any more.

The grievance does affect me. If we go and embarrass ourselves in front of an arbitrator so you can "get your day in court" it means that the next valid case we have will get less credibility from the arbitrators and that may cost me money.

I know that the North pilots like the narrative that the South pilots live in a bubble world where management just hands us roses for the fun of it. We had a very contentious relationship with management through the mid 90's and all the way up through the end of bankruptcy when both sides decided that there had to be a better way. Delta was way too close to liquidation in December 2005 for anyone to feel comfortable with the old status quo.

During the contentious times, we amassed a record over a few years of 69-4 in major arbitrations. We recovered millions in damages. Many other cases were settled due to our record. We built that reputation based on the fact that when we brought a case to an arbitrator, it was serious and we had an excellent chance of winning. The arbitration community knew this and it affected how subsequent cases were handled.

Now, you want to blow that for the entire pilot group because of political shenanigans and this victim mentality that you like to wallow in. Everyone knows you had a tough time with all of the changes. You are not the first pilot group that has been merged/acquired or whatever you want to call it now. Get over it.

I do notice that you don't even address the merits of the case that I wrote about. What is your defense? What is the case here? Where am I wrong? You address none of these but just make a case that North pilots are so special they need to be treated differently than any other pilot group in any other merger.

I am not running interference for the company and that argument is just weak emotionalism. There are valid reasons why this idiotic grievance should not be filed and those reasons all benefit the union and not the company. The company faces no risks at all because even a first year law student would read the facts of the case and just giggle at the insanity of the claim. The union faces all the risks and that is why we should drop it.

You bring up MOU 7 and again it is just another example of why you are so wrong. That whole mess was not about whether there would be more jobs or less. It was not about whether North or South pilots would get the jobs. It was all about a fight between Red and Green book pilots trying to knife each other in the back over the same jobs they have been knifing each other in the back over for the last 20 years. And now you think the best thing for our union is to bring that sort of internal fight and division to the Delta pilots. Awesome, that's just what we need.

80ktsClamp

That's because there are no merits to the case. The general pilot group didn't know what bid period 5 really was for the most part until things got disseminated and translated- but all those in the MECs and LECs don't have that excuse.

Waves

As a new guy here, I mistakenly brought up North South issues and got scolded by numerous people here. It took about 100 pages to rid myself of this stigma. Why is it that you guys can discuss it without those same people jumping all over you? Just wondering.