Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? >

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Search

Notices

Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-31-2010, 07:23 AM
  #32341  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Waves's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Position: SLC 767ER Captain
Posts: 602
Default

Originally Posted by JobHopper
The way it was explained to me by EB at Captain Leadership School was that there is too much freighter competition overseas. Consequently, the profit isn't there for dedicated freighters anymore. We were also told that with the combined fleets we are moving more belly freight than NWA did with its dedicated freighters. But I'm reading here from you international types that we are leaving freight behind.

OTOH, Delta just trumpeted its new $10 miliion mail contract. Fed Ex's mail contract is $1 BILLION, according to my Fed Ex buddies. Still sounds like there's money to be made out there.
If memory serves, during the SLI talks, they said that the 747-200's couldn't efficiently compete with the newer aircraft and would be quickly removed from the fleet. That is precisely what happened. Maybe we should purchase some new A380's. I'm tired of grumpy pax anyway. Ha
Waves is offline  
Old 03-31-2010, 07:42 AM
  #32342  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: Nice while it lasted
Posts: 326
Default

Originally Posted by iaflyer
Let me fix that for you.

NWA just didn't want to invest in the freighters. Their competitors all bought B747-400 freighters and have lower costs. Atlas, Kalitta Air and Evergreen all make money these days and are US based and run.
That closes the loop on my original post a few pages back. Passenger carriers have never been able to figure out the freight business. I'm really not sure why. FWIW, Atlas would have still made a substantial profit paying market wages back then.

BTW, I loved flying freight. It was the pay, benefits, schedules, contract (actually, a lack of all of the above) which caused me to seek fame and fortune elsewhere. I've given up on the fame (though I'm still checking out rivers to land in), and the fortune part isn't looking so hot, either .
JobHopper is offline  
Old 03-31-2010, 07:49 AM
  #32343  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,614
Default

Originally Posted by Dash8widget
That's a good point - when the LAX and CVG 767 bases were converted to ER they were opened for bid just like a new category (which is what they were). Is there some sort of side agreement with ALPA concerning the 755 transition that would keep this from happening?

It was agreed in the transition agreement that both the MSP and DTW 757 bases would become 7ER bases without a rebid. They have only applied the 755 designation to insure the computer system keeps them off any 767 equipment until they are qualed. I believe 1 May both MSP and DTW become 7ER bases and will be fully qualified.
sailingfun is offline  
Old 03-31-2010, 07:50 AM
  #32344  
seeing the large hubs...
 
iaflyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: 73N A
Posts: 3,759
Default

Originally Posted by JobHopper
That closes the loop on my original post a few pages back. Passenger carriers have never been able to figure out the freight business. I'm really not sure why. FWIW, Atlas would have still made a substantial profit paying market wages back then.

BTW, I loved flying freight. It was the pay, benefits, schedules, contract (actually, a lack of all of the above) which caused me to seek fame and fortune elsewhere. I've given up on the fame (though I'm still checking out rivers to land in), and the fortune part isn't looking so hot, either .
I could go on forever on why US pax carriers can't make money in freight. Summary: too many other costs added onto the freight operation.

I flew freight for 9 years prior to Delta - last job was flying the 747 for Kalitta Air. I completely agree on the reasons to move on from freight!
iaflyer is offline  
Old 03-31-2010, 07:54 AM
  #32345  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Waves's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Position: SLC 767ER Captain
Posts: 602
Default

Originally Posted by iaflyer
I could go on forever on why US pax carriers can't make money in freight. Summary: too many other costs added onto the freight operation.

I flew freight for 9 years prior to Delta - last job was flying the 747 for Kalitta Air. I completely agree on the reasons to move on from freight!
So what you are saying is that our previous management was actually correct about something? Difficult to believe. LOL
Waves is offline  
Old 03-31-2010, 08:09 AM
  #32346  
Get's Every Day Off
 
ExAF's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,860
Default If She's So Smart

Originally Posted by Waves
My wife's IQ is probably higher than anyone on this thread even if she does happen to own two cats. By the way, my wife is also a pilot, but she isn't condescending and narrow minded like many of the posts I've seen here. I'm just saying................
Oh yeah???...Well, if she's so smart AND a pilot, why didn't she stay for the extra week of training and be a pilot instead of a FA? (totally tongue in cheek )
ExAF is offline  
Old 03-31-2010, 08:14 AM
  #32347  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: The Beginnings
Posts: 1,317
Default

Originally Posted by Dash8widget
Alaskan? Whats Alaskan?

Calling Alaska Airlines (no "n") Alaskan is just like calling Delta an Airline instead of Air Line
Heh. Nice to be a member of the world's only "Air Line", eh?
deltabound is offline  
Old 03-31-2010, 08:14 AM
  #32348  
Gets Weekends Off
 
shiznit's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Default

Originally Posted by Imapilot2
Just so you know, MSP DC9 is set to close when the new MD90's are ready. All MD 90's are to be based out of MSP. It will be the sole MD90 base and the only base to have MD90 trained crews.
Uh....CVG and SLC (for a little while longer) are 90 qualed presently.

*and NYC is to be 90 qualed by the end of 2010(per LGA CPO).

Wasn't aware of MSP DC9 closing, but it makes sense that with only 34 airframes you don't need three different pilot domiciles.
shiznit is offline  
Old 03-31-2010, 08:17 AM
  #32349  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: The Beginnings
Posts: 1,317
Default

Originally Posted by JobHopper

OTOH, Delta just trumpeted its new $10 miliion mail contract. Fed Ex's mail contract is $1 BILLION, according to my Fed Ex buddies. Still sounds like there's money to be made out there.
Maybe Dr. Evil is negotiating our mail contracts and hasn't quite grasped the difference between a "million" and a "billion". <evil laugh>

deltabound is offline  
Old 03-31-2010, 08:27 AM
  #32350  
seeing the large hubs...
 
iaflyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: 73N A
Posts: 3,759
Default

Originally Posted by Waves
So what you are saying is that our previous management was actually correct about something? Difficult to believe. LOL
Well - they were correct that THEY couldn't make money in freight.

Many other passenger airlines make money - and pay their pilots top dollar doing so. Cathay, Air France, Lufthansa come to mind. Singapore has a cargo division, but I'm not familiar with the pay scale. Oh - and all those airlines are flying B747-400s or similar equipment.
iaflyer is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
On Autopilot
Regional
22594
11-05-2021 07:03 AM
AeroCrewSolut
Delta
153
08-14-2018 12:18 PM
Bill Lumberg
Major
71
06-13-2012 08:36 AM
Quagmire
Major
253
04-16-2011 06:19 AM
JiffyLube
Major
12
03-07-2008 04:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices