Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-31-2010, 06:24 AM
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03-31-2010, 06:30 AM
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That's just like when we had them in DFW, and then SLC. When I was a 90 driver in SLC, we flew the 90 about 90% or more. When we would occasionally get an 88, we would have to be extra vigalant with some of the systems. i.e. electrical/APU system. Since the MSP base is closer to 88 bases, this 90% may not hold true. When I got A training in the 90, I never even saw the cockpit of it until my IOE. That was strange, let me tell you. I was jumping into an airplane I hadn't really been trained to fly. Although very similar, the MD-90 is a different animal than the 88. Kind of like 757/767. Hopefully the training department has changed that now.
03-31-2010, 06:33 AM
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03-31-2010, 06:35 AM
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OK, that makes total sense. I was wondering why they would not do that. Thanks. There is hope for this management yet. It was very limiting for crew scheduling when we would get out there with a 90 and break down, because we (SLC) crews were the only crews that could fly them.
03-31-2010, 06:39 AM
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Here's what the AFA wants:
That the Company shall cease and desist the integration of all flight crews and restore the status quo ante (that the Company shall schedule only pre-merger NW flight attendants to work on aircraft flown only by pre-merger NW pilots). That the Company shall provide make whole relief to the Union and affected flight attendants. And, any and all such other relief deemed just and necessary.
You really think the courts are going to allow that? I don't think the AFA is going to win, because the scope clause talks only about pilots on the NWA seniority list. There isn't a NWA pilot seniority list - it merged with the Delta pilot senority list with the merger.
If the company had balls - it would say, "Sure - we'll do what you want. But the only aircraft operated by only pre-merger NW pilots is the B747-400. Because of the union and the scope clause, we have to staff the DC9, A320, B757 and A330 with pre-merger Delta FAs. So - we're going to furlough on the pre-merger NWA side and hire like crazy on the pre-merger Delta side. What? You don't like that? It's just want you wanted!"
That the Company shall cease and desist the integration of all flight crews and restore the status quo ante (that the Company shall schedule only pre-merger NW flight attendants to work on aircraft flown only by pre-merger NW pilots). That the Company shall provide make whole relief to the Union and affected flight attendants. And, any and all such other relief deemed just and necessary.
You really think the courts are going to allow that? I don't think the AFA is going to win, because the scope clause talks only about pilots on the NWA seniority list. There isn't a NWA pilot seniority list - it merged with the Delta pilot senority list with the merger.
If the company had balls - it would say, "Sure - we'll do what you want. But the only aircraft operated by only pre-merger NW pilots is the B747-400. Because of the union and the scope clause, we have to staff the DC9, A320, B757 and A330 with pre-merger Delta FAs. So - we're going to furlough on the pre-merger NWA side and hire like crazy on the pre-merger Delta side. What? You don't like that? It's just want you wanted!"
03-31-2010, 06:42 AM
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03-31-2010, 06:47 AM
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Here's what the AFA wants:
That the Company shall cease and desist the integration of all flight crews and restore the status quo ante (that the Company shall schedule only pre-merger NW flight attendants to work on aircraft flown only by pre-merger NW pilots). That the Company shall provide make whole relief to the Union and affected flight attendants. And, any and all such other relief deemed just and necessary.
You really think the courts are going to allow that? I don't think the AFA is going to win, because the scope clause talks only about pilots on the NWA seniority list. There isn't a NWA pilot seniority list - it merged with the Delta pilot senority list with the merger.
If the company had balls - it would say, "Sure - we'll do what you want. But the only aircraft operated by only pre-merger NW pilots is the B747-400. Because of the union and the scope clause, we have to staff the DC9, A320, B757 and A330 with pre-merger Delta FAs. So - we're going to furlough on the pre-merger NWA side and hire like crazy on the pre-merger Delta side. What? You don't like that? It's just want you wanted!"
That the Company shall cease and desist the integration of all flight crews and restore the status quo ante (that the Company shall schedule only pre-merger NW flight attendants to work on aircraft flown only by pre-merger NW pilots). That the Company shall provide make whole relief to the Union and affected flight attendants. And, any and all such other relief deemed just and necessary.
You really think the courts are going to allow that? I don't think the AFA is going to win, because the scope clause talks only about pilots on the NWA seniority list. There isn't a NWA pilot seniority list - it merged with the Delta pilot senority list with the merger.
If the company had balls - it would say, "Sure - we'll do what you want. But the only aircraft operated by only pre-merger NW pilots is the B747-400. Because of the union and the scope clause, we have to staff the DC9, A320, B757 and A330 with pre-merger Delta FAs. So - we're going to furlough on the pre-merger NWA side and hire like crazy on the pre-merger Delta side. What? You don't like that? It's just want you wanted!"
03-31-2010, 06:50 AM
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Since we are only allowed to fly NWA flight attendants on former NWA equipment and we have retired a significant number of NWA aircraft we find we are overstaffed. Sadly we will have to furlough 500 flight attendants from the NWA side until we resolve the integration issue.
03-31-2010, 06:59 AM
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They are trying to manufacture leverage. The Delta F/A's would have to take significant compensation cuts if they voted for AFA now. The Delta F/A's have had two raises since the merger, NW AFA not so much. The AFA is probably trying to find a way to increase their wages prior to the vote to make it easier to prevail. Overall, the AFA when given a choice of how to handle this merger has made the wrong choice. The flailing will continue until the vote is taken.
03-31-2010, 07:03 AM
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It wont be decided by a judge or a mediator. It will be a arbitrator from the NBM. He can rule allmost anyway he wants. If he decides the intent of their scope clause was to have NWA flight attendants only working NWA mainline equipment he will order that to happen. I don't think there is really in chance he will try and keep the pilot groups apart. If the AFA wins this issue look for Delta to play hardball. I would expect the following announcement.
Since we are only allowed to fly NWA flight attendants on former NWA equipment and we have retired a significant number of NWA aircraft we find we are overstaffed. Sadly we will have to furlough 500 flight attendants from the NWA side until we resolve the integration issue.
Since we are only allowed to fly NWA flight attendants on former NWA equipment and we have retired a significant number of NWA aircraft we find we are overstaffed. Sadly we will have to furlough 500 flight attendants from the NWA side until we resolve the integration issue.
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