Superpilot92

What i want in 2012 is, higher pay, SCOPE locked down permanently, higher DC contribution to counter the lack of pension, work rules back, and ALL of us treated equally going forward.

slowplay

I don't want that match either! But....

I'm pretty sure I do have a good idea, even after reading your post!

Could it be the fall/winter schedules reduced 747-400 block hours from an equivalent of 15 a/c flying to 10 a/c flying? Could it be that duty rigs kicked in at BP-5? Could it be that the late spring and early summer schedules ramp up 747-400 flying again? Oh, and there weren't any signficant Captain displacements during all this (there were FO displacements due to Captain augmentation, a good thing).

As far as your friend is concerned, let's try an analogy. ACL loves analogies...

Your co-pilot is informed that the entertainment system is out in first class on your 747-400. These are the highest paying passengers in the system. The Captain is on rest break, so the co-pilot decides to divert into Shemya because it is not right that these first class customers don't have what they paid for. The Captain comes back up from break, realizes the FO has declared an emergency and has changed destinations....

What would your response be to your number 2? I'm sure with the way you type here it would be a "hey, we have to take your concerns into account, and because you thought it was a problem we must divert!" Riiight?

The 747-400 is a 16 airplane fleet. Actions taken by the scheduling committee may affect 12,200 pilots, not just the 420 in the 744 category. Nobody "has to go around the south guy straight to the company to try and tell them the schs don't work." He chose to go around because things weren't moving fast enough in his direction. And he did it without full SA on the situation. Nice job being a "team" player....and throwing everybody else under the bus.

Again, Delta had planned to reduce 744 flying substantially. That plan changed. With that change will come better schedules (I hope).

I know you're used to a different way of doing business, where committee chairmen are beholden to certain MEC members for their positions. That's not the way the new MEC chose to do business in their unanimously approved policy manual. The committee guys that haven't been able to adapt to the MEC's policy are the ones writing the political letters, and going to the company independently trying to cut their own deals. If you look at the committee positions, there's a good pre-merger balance. I acknowledge some growing pains, but the inability to follow MEC direction or to play well with others will certainly create frustration...and not just with the guy that chooses to play that way.

Nosmo King

A330 CROT. DAL-N guys were basically allowed no input in the final agreement. Had this verified by a Regional Director of Flying. So for the first time in at least 25 years we give management permission to put a rest seat with a curtain around it on a DAL-N widebody (until June 2011). Someone said dozens of pages ago that if we didn't want the over 12 hour legs on the 330 then they would take them on the 7ER. You got a deal. Leave the 330 the way it is and we will fly all the under 12 hour legs with the awesome pilot rest facility, you can have all the over 12 hour legs on the ER (those few ER bunk rooms are on main deck aren't they?).

slowplay

The current 76T's (ER's with bunkroom) are a main deck facility. They're going into a below deck module shortly and the cabin will be standardized as they convert to lie flat.

Oh, you might ask JK about his input methodology...sounds strangely familiar to a forum post!

Herkflyr

If I had $1 for every disgruntled pilot who claimed "had this verified by [insert official-sounding person's title here]"...I'd have a rather large pile of dollars.


I've heard the A330 rest facility is great, but the few 7ER facilities are great as well. So what if they're on the main deck (which they are moving)? I sleep like a baby. In fact, for the >12 hour legs, I also get two breaks almost as long as the one you get on the <12 hour legs. I'll happily take those off your hands if you insist...

Continuing to be amazed at pilot whining....

jabwmu

Wouldn't that be nice.

tsquare

NWA??????????????

volav8r1

Do those "hired not aquired" stickers actually exist? I've heard about them but can't believe a mature adult would actually put one on their flight case. If true, it would be a real shame!

acl65pilot

I have not seen them either. Maybe they are from the early 90's....

Nosmo King

Name sent via PM.


If the below deck facility is going to be below the aft lavs and under the rear galley, then I'll take the <12 legs on a non-modified aircraft One of the major gripes is that changeovers will take forever as the FA's will be in the middle of their food and beverage service for the start and end of the breaks for shorter legs. Since its likely a small percentage of the flights are planned for operation over 12, its a crappy setup for an under 12 hour augmented crew. This may change if they decide to buy increased weight numbers for the 330-200. As it stands now, A 330-300 from ATL-HNL is taking off at max gross wieght for a flight well under 12 hours. A 330-200 has 55 fewer seats and a lower ZFW, but if you fill all the tanks, you are over max ramp weight before adding crew or passengers or cargo.

There is also the issue of the Capt being on break on a 3 pilot crew and having to get back to the pit for whatever reason.

In this case lower deck facilities work okay for crews with 2 Captains, not so good for three pilot crews (likely to be a vast majority of the flights flown with the converted rest facility aircraft)