PokerPro

Quick non-related question, do the 757-300 have 1 or 2 jumpseats? We bought my wife a ticket and i am hoping to J/S on the same flight and just hoping this may improve my chances to make it.

NuGuy

FWIW, I have listened to a couple of first hand reports of the issues that Keen has had when trying to get issues resolved.

I won't repeat them because I want the people to come and post them in person. As long as most of the committees answer to the chairman, and not the MEC, I don't see any change coming.

That was one of the core differences between the way DALPA and NWALPA worked. At NWALPA, the committees all answered to the MEC, and they acted with a fair amount of autonomy to get things done. Our contract Admin people worked directly with the company. The CASC worked directly with Techops.

Having everything pass over one desk is grossly inefficient.

Nu

Pineapple Guy

Keenster, first, thanks for bringing up a specific example for us to discuss.

Here's what I hear you saying.

1. The company is doing something you don't like.
2. Having said that, they're not violating the contract, or else we'd be talking a grievance.
3. Your buddy brings your personal issue (or the issue of a small subset of pilots) to the Sch Comm Chairman who doesn't address it to your buddy's satisfaction.
4. So, your buddy goes behind his Chairman's back and interacts directly with the company, against the wishes of that Committee Chairman
5. He gets fussed at for that.
6. You don't like that.

So it seems the basic gripe is that the Scheduling Committee Chairman is making tough decisions on how to spend limited "moral capital" to persuade the company to change policies with respect to the various small sub groups, all of which have their own issues, and your particular issue, which was understandably, the most important to you, was not the most important to the pilot group as a whole? So this really isn't a N/S issue, as you propose, but rather a tough call for the Chairman to make with respect to a long list of desired QOL improvements. Some help ALL pilots, some just help narrow demographics.

None of us ever like it when the whole union isn't willing to fight to the death over our particular issue, but in reality, there are a thousand issues out there, and the job of a Committee Chairman is to do what's best for the whole group.

Just my take on the issue, as you've related it. Food for thought.

jiminmem

Yeah, I've heard this from a number of people, to my face as well. Welcome aboard I guess.

Jinks

All fNWA 757s have one jumpseat.

Jinks

donelurkin

Speaking of scope...

I've noticed on Delta.com that DeltaAirElite has been getting more advertising lately, and jets. Sounds like DAL gives frequent flier miles for use on the corporate jets too?!?! Does ALPA have any official relationship with the pilots over there? I believe it's a Part 135 op? This was straight from Delta.com.

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Has there EVER been any talk as to how we could work together for common goals? I know its not official Delta Air Lines, the 121 carrier, but it is something that should be watched as Delta is advertising on Delta.com, and placing the HVC's that are so highly prized on those jets.

Just thinking out loud. Not trying to take guys from their corporate jobs, just maybe a little cooperation would be helpful to all of us.

forgot to bid

We couldn't take their jobs as most of those jobs are private jobs for private aircraft owners who put their aircraft on Delta AirElites charter certificate to offset costs somewhat with charter. The pilots just go through an indoc and do Part 135 rides during their recurrents and the aircraft have to accomplish the maintenance required by Delta AirElite. Delta AirElite then markets and brokers the owners aircraft.

There is nothing there for Delta pilots to work with. As to "I'll go fly corporate after I retire..." or "I'll fly corporate with Delta AirElite when I get furloughed..." it doesn't work that way. You either come to Delta AirElite with your boss' airplane and work for Delta AirElite or you apply to Delta AirElite and go anywhere in the country where one of their owners needs a permanent pilot and finds you acceptable. Those owners are all on their own contract, some want zero charter and just someone to manage their operation for multiple times the cost of what it should be, some want just a little charter and total control over their beloved airplane and some don't care who flies their airplane or where it is at any given moment. The recent "acquisition" of aircraft is a product of change in that segment of private jets.

FWIW, there is a company in Atlanta that does this and if you do come to them with your boss' plane expect to be pushed out in short order. They want their own pilots operating the owners aircraft. Seen it.


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LeineLodge

I really want to respond to this one, but I would just be taking us further down the wrong road.

My advice to all: we are where we are, get over it. C2012 needs to even most of this crap out so we can stop dividing ourselves. The DC rates will all be even then I think, and in about another 9 years everyone here will be Maxxed out on longevity pay. I'm fine with all that. This constant referral to the premerger camps is WAY counterproductive.

This particularly goes for the douches with the "Hired Not Acquired" bag stickers. Just what the hell is that supposed to mean anyways??

Let's all get over it and move forward as DAL pilots. We should be saying "At least we're not at USAir"

Superpilot92

I'n order to avoid a infraction i wont respond to Pineapples post. So much for being one pilot group i guess....

I guess he believes that since we were "acquired not hired" that we dont deserve to be treated equally going forward.

How someone can argue that a future pilot not even hired yet should work under a better contract than the those of us already here just dumbfounds me Pineapples POV is basically the message we got from the MEC when we forwarded the resolutions that passed UNANIMOUSLY in our LEC's. Everyone agrees that its not right but the MEC wont even look at a fix.

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What he said. ^^^^

Pilots should voice their opinions because we need to know what to get in 2012 but you look like and you make all of us look like a bunch of Nancys if you post stuff for the sole reason of whining or trying to poke the opposite side in the eye. We've got C2012 coming in an economy that will probably and absolutely tank, so focus on that.

As to flight kits, how can I make this picture a bag sticker?