Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-17-2010, 07:45 AM
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03-17-2010, 07:47 AM
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Isn't anybody who reads and posts on this thread a little miffed with the 401k changes? Call your reps to complain!!!
03-17-2010, 08:04 AM
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CAL management just proposed DAL Contract + $1 to us (CAL).
"Continental Proposes Delta Contract for CAL Pilots
Last December ALPA and Continental discussed the somewhat unusual step of releasing the details of each sides’ initial economic proposals. We agreed that ALPA’s opening economic proposal was so comprehensive and so extensive, that it made sense to publically release each party’s initial economic proposals.
Today Continental proposed to ALPA that our current collective bargaining agreement be replaced in its entirety with the terms of the current Delta Pilot Working Agreement (PWA), except that we would add $1 to each of the hourly pay rates, and an ALPA representative would not be appointed to Continental’s Board of Directors.
We recognize that since Delta is the largest airline in the world, it sets the standard for labor, not only for Continental but also for other legacy airlines. As the fourth largest airline, we aren’t in a position to have materially higher labor costs than Delta. This proposal eliminates that concern, and just as importantly eliminates pilot labor as a pawn in the increasingly vigorous competition between Continental and Delta. Instead we will compete on the basis of our superior product, service and pricing."
"Continental Proposes Delta Contract for CAL Pilots
Last December ALPA and Continental discussed the somewhat unusual step of releasing the details of each sides’ initial economic proposals. We agreed that ALPA’s opening economic proposal was so comprehensive and so extensive, that it made sense to publically release each party’s initial economic proposals.
Today Continental proposed to ALPA that our current collective bargaining agreement be replaced in its entirety with the terms of the current Delta Pilot Working Agreement (PWA), except that we would add $1 to each of the hourly pay rates, and an ALPA representative would not be appointed to Continental’s Board of Directors.
We recognize that since Delta is the largest airline in the world, it sets the standard for labor, not only for Continental but also for other legacy airlines. As the fourth largest airline, we aren’t in a position to have materially higher labor costs than Delta. This proposal eliminates that concern, and just as importantly eliminates pilot labor as a pawn in the increasingly vigorous competition between Continental and Delta. Instead we will compete on the basis of our superior product, service and pricing."
03-17-2010, 08:16 AM
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I hope you CAL guys laugh and say no thanks. Your initial proposal was much more than we have right now so our contract + 1 isnt even close to what the initial proposal was. I hope yall get MUCH more.
03-17-2010, 08:17 AM
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03-17-2010, 08:22 AM
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I thought ALPA promised to get the five day back on the schedule? How did I go from 3 4-day trips a month, commutable on the back ends to 5 trips a month, worth 10 less hours and hardly any of it is commutable? It looks like the guys well above me didn't fare that well either. Maybe they think all the 9 pilots live in Traylor.
03-17-2010, 08:24 AM
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CAL management just proposed DAL Contract + $1 to us (CAL).
"Continental Proposes Delta Contract for CAL Pilots
Last December ALPA and Continental discussed the somewhat unusual step of releasing the details of each sides’ initial economic proposals. We agreed that ALPA’s opening economic proposal was so comprehensive and so extensive, that it made sense to publically release each party’s initial economic proposals.
Today Continental proposed to ALPA that our current collective bargaining agreement be replaced in its entirety with the terms of the current Delta Pilot Working Agreement (PWA), except that we would add $1 to each of the hourly pay rates, and an ALPA representative would not be appointed to Continental’s Board of Directors.
We recognize that since Delta is the largest airline in the world, it sets the standard for labor, not only for Continental but also for other legacy airlines. As the fourth largest airline, we aren’t in a position to have materially higher labor costs than Delta. This proposal eliminates that concern, and just as importantly eliminates pilot labor as a pawn in the increasingly vigorous competition between Continental and Delta. Instead we will compete on the basis of our superior product, service and pricing."
"Continental Proposes Delta Contract for CAL Pilots
Last December ALPA and Continental discussed the somewhat unusual step of releasing the details of each sides’ initial economic proposals. We agreed that ALPA’s opening economic proposal was so comprehensive and so extensive, that it made sense to publically release each party’s initial economic proposals.
Today Continental proposed to ALPA that our current collective bargaining agreement be replaced in its entirety with the terms of the current Delta Pilot Working Agreement (PWA), except that we would add $1 to each of the hourly pay rates, and an ALPA representative would not be appointed to Continental’s Board of Directors.
We recognize that since Delta is the largest airline in the world, it sets the standard for labor, not only for Continental but also for other legacy airlines. As the fourth largest airline, we aren’t in a position to have materially higher labor costs than Delta. This proposal eliminates that concern, and just as importantly eliminates pilot labor as a pawn in the increasingly vigorous competition between Continental and Delta. Instead we will compete on the basis of our superior product, service and pricing."
03-17-2010, 08:25 AM
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Anyone else having the random log out problems with Icrew lately?
03-17-2010, 08:25 AM
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Or that your personal pet fund is no longer subsidized by other pilots...
Seriously, though, the NWA and Delta plans had to merge. Delta management has the right under the contract to pick the Trustee, funds, etc. for the plan. They used outside consultants to help with the design. You'll still have access to almost all the funds you like via BrokerageLink, and the core funds in the plan should be lower cost and better performing for the average pilot investor.
03-17-2010, 08:31 AM
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Delta did its PWA/JCBA in the face of the worst airline recession ever. It resulted in pilots owning 5.6% of the company, plus substantial progress on restoring bankruptcy cuts. CAL's contract is looking into the face of an uncertain but developing economic recovery. They should blow by our contract on the economics. Pattern bargaining worked going up (and down). It's on the upside now.
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