Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-15-2010, 07:33 PM
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+1 I agree with you 100%. How about text us via cell phones? Just about everyone carrys one on their person.
One of the biggest problems was that nobody knew what was going on. My crew was at the airport along with 6 others. All of our flights cancelled in a relatively short time span. None of our schedules reflected the cancellations. Local operations had no information. Nobody could reach reroute/crewtracking/schedulers/crew accomodations.
I know they were swamped which is what brings me to my second point. There needs to be some sort of standard protocol in the event things get ugly. For example, the Captain ensures everyone gets back to the hotel, rested, and ready to assume duty at whatever time.
In my situation, my Captain made the decision after hanging in the crew room for 4 hours that we were going to go back to the hotel. Working with transportation and the hotel, we were able to get ourselves into rooms. Our schedules updated overnight and had we not enterred crew rest, we would have never been able to work the flight. The crews that stayed at the airport were unable to work the flights that were scheduled for them. This only added to the problem.
One of the biggest problems was that nobody knew what was going on. My crew was at the airport along with 6 others. All of our flights cancelled in a relatively short time span. None of our schedules reflected the cancellations. Local operations had no information. Nobody could reach reroute/crewtracking/schedulers/crew accomodations.
I know they were swamped which is what brings me to my second point. There needs to be some sort of standard protocol in the event things get ugly. For example, the Captain ensures everyone gets back to the hotel, rested, and ready to assume duty at whatever time.
In my situation, my Captain made the decision after hanging in the crew room for 4 hours that we were going to go back to the hotel. Working with transportation and the hotel, we were able to get ourselves into rooms. Our schedules updated overnight and had we not enterred crew rest, we would have never been able to work the flight. The crews that stayed at the airport were unable to work the flights that were scheduled for them. This only added to the problem.
03-15-2010, 08:03 PM
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Keenster,
No offense intended, but our "airline ID" is absolutely, nothing remotely similar to having a "Top Secret Clearance". I know, I have both. The airline ID may suffice as a "FOUO" clearance, or might even go as far as "Classified" material, but once you've gone through a "TS" investigation and realize that they truly want to know how many beers you had in college, and want "witness/names" to back it up, you'll realize that it is quite a bit more extensive than the background check most airlines perform during employment.
Fly safe,
GJ
No offense intended, but our "airline ID" is absolutely, nothing remotely similar to having a "Top Secret Clearance". I know, I have both. The airline ID may suffice as a "FOUO" clearance, or might even go as far as "Classified" material, but once you've gone through a "TS" investigation and realize that they truly want to know how many beers you had in college, and want "witness/names" to back it up, you'll realize that it is quite a bit more extensive than the background check most airlines perform during employment.
Fly safe,
GJ
03-15-2010, 08:13 PM
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Keenster,
Now worries, probably more my lack of reading/comprehension skills, as they are significantly degraded at this time of the evening anyway.
I do however agree with your reasoning that once we're "cleared" to operate the multi-million dollar airplane, that the constant scrutiny of "unskilled labor" wearing "sow-on" badges should be lightened.
Personally, I'm a little tired of having had to endure what I have in both my civilian pilot training, as well as my multiple military deployments, only to be treated like a "possible criminal" when clearing airport security. Not meant as flame bait for someone who doesn't agree, and might sound like a growing bad attitude towards airport security and what the TSA stands for now, but feel there needs to be vast improvements in the process which is being performed.
GJ
Now worries, probably more my lack of reading/comprehension skills, as they are significantly degraded at this time of the evening anyway.
I do however agree with your reasoning that once we're "cleared" to operate the multi-million dollar airplane, that the constant scrutiny of "unskilled labor" wearing "sow-on" badges should be lightened.
Personally, I'm a little tired of having had to endure what I have in both my civilian pilot training, as well as my multiple military deployments, only to be treated like a "possible criminal" when clearing airport security. Not meant as flame bait for someone who doesn't agree, and might sound like a growing bad attitude towards airport security and what the TSA stands for now, but feel there needs to be vast improvements in the process which is being performed.
GJ
03-15-2010, 09:13 PM
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CAE has Crewpass, and it's a joke. weeks ago myself and the FO were "selected" to go through security like everyone else. Happens all the time at CAE. Now I just skip it and go through the regular security line. I also was "swabbed" at MGM a week ago. Nice.
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03-15-2010, 09:19 PM
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Keenster,
Now worries, probably more my lack of reading/comprehension skills, as they are significantly degraded at this time of the evening anyway.
I do however agree with your reasoning that once we're "cleared" to operate the multi-million dollar airplane, that the constant scrutiny of "unskilled labor" wearing "sow-on" badges should be lightened.
Personally, I'm a little tired of having had to endure what I have in both my civilian pilot training, as well as my multiple military deployments, only to be treated like a "possible criminal" when clearing airport security. Not meant as flame bait for someone who doesn't agree, and might sound like a growing bad attitude towards airport security and what the TSA stands for now, but feel there needs to be vast improvements in the process which is being performed.
GJ
Now worries, probably more my lack of reading/comprehension skills, as they are significantly degraded at this time of the evening anyway.
I do however agree with your reasoning that once we're "cleared" to operate the multi-million dollar airplane, that the constant scrutiny of "unskilled labor" wearing "sow-on" badges should be lightened.
Personally, I'm a little tired of having had to endure what I have in both my civilian pilot training, as well as my multiple military deployments, only to be treated like a "possible criminal" when clearing airport security. Not meant as flame bait for someone who doesn't agree, and might sound like a growing bad attitude towards airport security and what the TSA stands for now, but feel there needs to be vast improvements in the process which is being performed.
GJ
03-15-2010, 09:29 PM
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Us going through "detectors" at all is bull******. Once it's established who we are, which should be more than a glance and a nod, it's established. No scrutiny, a pilot's screening should come before a TSA checkpoint.
03-15-2010, 10:29 PM
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Absolutely. I pilot can do more damage to an aircraft inadvertently, sitting in the seat naked, than with anything he or she could fit through that scanner.
03-16-2010, 01:51 AM
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so shouldn't delta airlines Inc include theses regionals as "on-line"?
03-16-2010, 02:48 AM
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I would suspect so. She has a PHD, and from what I understand changed the way NWA did business.
03-16-2010, 02:57 AM
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What recourse do we have on being falsely accused of drinking and what is our union stance on this? I would personally want to fry the accuser if it were me. We need to get rid of going thru TSA anyway. Our ID is kind of like having a top secret clearance but we have to check you out before you can see a top secret piece of material each time we are going to show you one. In other words, it is useless. Again, a failure of ALPA.
Keenster;
This is not a failure of ALPA. When you are at an airport controlled by DHS you are attempting to exercise a PRIVILEGE, not a right. Ergo, you have no legal recourse. The accuse you, cost the company money and you embarrassment, they are doing their duty to protect the passengers. There is not too much legal ground here.
The best advice is to make darn sure you are sober and not even hung over. They catch one guy and they prove their point.
ALPA has nothing to do with it. Same deal with CREWPASS. It is up to DHS, not ALPA. Their time line not ours. We can push but that is all we cal do.
I wish it was different but the fact is that TSA has the federal jurisdiction to do what they want how they want as well as forcing you do surrender your license. We are on their turf. Right or wrong, it is what it is.
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