Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-09-2010, 07:14 PM
Da Hudge
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Yes it happened. When is the last time you have asked the gate agent what the max gross they are releasing your flight for. We have discovered that DAL operated a little different than NWA in that 870,000 means 865,000 and they restrict TO that weight vs the max therefore leaving behind 5000lbs of capacity. Well we turned around and went back to the gate and put the nonrevs on because we could carry them. In our opinion, just sloppy management of numbers that gives dispatch the ability of not being correct because we coud not get a good answer as to why they were doing this. So I was there and don't tell me what we did or did not do. It was grand. Not many captians have the cahunas to do this. I would name him but have to protect him because of the company spies on here. It has been our history at NWA not to leave nonrevs at the gate if we have empty seats, and we watch the weight restricitons very close. Had to be that way at our operation. Shocked at the DAL operation of leaving nonrevs behind.
DAL-S sucks... I get it.
Look at your FOM and check out FPS waypoint crossing procedures (HOWGOZIT). It's exactly what you do. FPS like worldflight has a very similar computer flight plan. Both release systems print ONE copy of that. ONE!! No difference between the two and only ONE copy of that in the cockpit on both systems. Geez.
As far as the nonrev thing, no clue why that happened. I cannot remember a time I've had to leave with seats open. Sounds like a dispatcher/load planning screwup more than anything. We don't leave nonrevs either on the southside... if we have to leave with seats empty there are always questions. Sound familiar? That's because we aren't a complacent bunch of cowboys.
The high horse thing has run its course.
03-09-2010, 07:22 PM
Da Hudge
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This reminds me of a few companies I know of....
03-09-2010, 07:22 PM
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80 it just becomes an issue of ULH flights. You see it on some of the deep LA and ER flying out of the ME. The 744 and 777 get some of that occasionally with MGTOW.
Like I pointed out above, look at your max planned weights and if they do not match book, look deeper. If it is fluff, call. Simple.
(Guess they add fluff for the ranchers cat food!
)
Like I pointed out above, look at your max planned weights and if they do not match book, look deeper. If it is fluff, call. Simple.
(Guess they add fluff for the ranchers cat food!
)
03-09-2010, 07:25 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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Any of you FNWA calling the CPO or speaking to the chiefs, or calling flight training etc. about these short comings in the new procedures? I agree the -9's are much more pilot intensive...higher work load...and could use the 2nd release. I would be all over calling the head of the program to get something changed for the better ASAP.
As for the rest of the FNWA fleet, I have no idea what is needed especially for a 9+ hr international flight! Keenster you make a valid argument about your specific a/c why not call those that have the power to change it. Cheers
As for the rest of the FNWA fleet, I have no idea what is needed especially for a 9+ hr international flight! Keenster you make a valid argument about your specific a/c why not call those that have the power to change it. Cheers
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03-09-2010, 07:26 PM
Da Hudge
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80 it just becomes an issue of ULH flights. You see it on some of the deep LA and ER flying out of the ME. The 744 and 777 get some of that occasionally with MGTOW.
Like I pointed out above, look at your max planned weights and if they do not match book, look deeper. If it is fluff, call. Simple.
(Guess they add fluff for the ranchers cat food!)
Like I pointed out above, look at your max planned weights and if they do not match book, look deeper. If it is fluff, call. Simple.
(Guess they add fluff for the ranchers cat food!
)
That 5000 pounds on the whale sounds like the slop was added for that staff of 12 senior FAs....
waddlewaddlewaddlewaddle
03-09-2010, 07:29 PM
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No;
Waddle-smack-waddle-smack. Poor FC passenger are all getting off with black eyes again!
Waddle-smack-waddle-smack. Poor FC passenger are all getting off with black eyes again!
03-09-2010, 07:33 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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The only thing we play with on the 777 is allowable tolerance, you know +/- 1000 lbs etc. There is usually a very good reason for the numbers to be the way they are. AWABS is tail number specific and flight route specific.
IOWs, playing cowboy is on you.
IOWs, playing cowboy is on you.
03-09-2010, 07:35 PM
Da Hudge
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03-09-2010, 07:37 PM
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Max Planned weight for this flying XXX,XXXlbs. No critical terrain issues to planned weight. Or Route planned due critical terrain issues at this weight. Must fly flight plan route to point XXXXX.
03-09-2010, 07:38 PM
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