Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-09-2010, 12:25 PM
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So what was that article about JFK and Delta and a "new" terminal. What is a "new" terminal? Did we drop the "Terminal 4 connected to 3 & 2 and 3 knocked down"?
03-09-2010, 12:30 PM
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I was trying to find that same picture without the "F YOU" part on it. Such a great picture but not exactly family friendly.
I had to settle on something a bit more tame. Apparently the anteaters actually do stand up and do that stance routinely. Freaking hilarious.
As far as "on topic" talk, I really see us pursuing China Eastern. RA mentioned that publicly last fall... I believe that would be much better than JAL.
RA is speaking at the kool-aid meeting next month... here's to him giving us some good skinny to talk about on here.
03-09-2010, 12:38 PM
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Bingo, our confidence check is on the final WDR. It has the latest and greatest release number as well any further MELs that may have accumulated. No need for release 4 amendment 5....
I'm a HUGE crosschecker. If the captain is loading the flightplan, there's other stuff I can be doing while he's got the paperwork.... like hunting down the elusive gray trashbags.
I'm a HUGE crosschecker. If the captain is loading the flightplan, there's other stuff I can be doing while he's got the paperwork.... like hunting down the elusive gray trashbags.
No consideration for the way things MIGHT be better, or more efficient, even to take a glimpse, but all we see is continual justification and rationalization, sometimes to an absurd level, to the way things are.
Interrupt your pre-flight flow because the CA is using the paperwork? No problem, just stop what you're doing and do something else.
Get pushed and let technology work for you? Or just sit at the gate while the agent brings MORE paper?
Get the company to actually PROVIDE payroll information that should be free for the asking? Nah, just pay money to a completely separate company to get them to do what the company SHOULD be doing (this one is my favorite)...
Force the company to actually use the Caller ID the way it was intended? Or justify the reason why you shouldn't answer the phone in your very own household?
Allow a committee structure that has specialized skills to run things autonomously that need timely responses? Or just force everything to go through a choke point?
The company stuff is one thing, and none of us really has any control over it. If we're sitting here arguing the small stuff, then we must be getting along ok.
OTOH, as far as the union stuff, well, these guys represent us, and are SUPPOSED to have our best interests in mind. All I see is an effort to eviscerate the fNWA guys from the committee structure (the ones that have substance, not the chief bottle washing, here you got one guy committee) which at DAL answers to one person, rather than the way it should be, and that's to the entire MEC.
Ya know guys, if the ratio was 90/10, or 75/25 or even 66/33, I'd say fine. But you are dealing with nearly half your pilot group that pays attention to what goes on, because we brought a culture of WATCHING and engaging, and not just sitting under a toadstool. If they really want to continue down this path of ****ing people off, then so be it. I wouldn't be surprised to see recall resolutions out of 1 and 20 next time around.
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03-09-2010, 12:57 PM
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Love ya Clamp, but this has been the heartburn from the NWA side for the whole time. Also, NWA wasn't PCL...you rarely saw any releases higher than 2.
No consideration for the way things MIGHT be better, or more efficient, even to take a glimpse, but all we see is continual justification and rationalization, sometimes to an absurd level, to the way things are.
Interrupt your pre-flight flow because the CA is using the paperwork? No problem, just stop what you're doing and do something else.
Get pushed and let technology work for you? Or just sit at the gate while the agent brings MORE paper?
No consideration for the way things MIGHT be better, or more efficient, even to take a glimpse, but all we see is continual justification and rationalization, sometimes to an absurd level, to the way things are.
Interrupt your pre-flight flow because the CA is using the paperwork? No problem, just stop what you're doing and do something else.
Get pushed and let technology work for you? Or just sit at the gate while the agent brings MORE paper?
I admit, you guys did some things better, and I truly hope we move in that direction. But to belly ache about EVERY little thing, gets really old.
Allow a committee structure that has specialized skills to run things autonomously that need timely responses? Or just force everything to go through a choke point?
The company stuff is one thing, and none of us really has any control over it. If we're sitting here arguing the small stuff, then we must be getting along ok.
OTOH, as far as the union stuff, well, these guys represent us, and are SUPPOSED to have our best interests in mind. All I see is an effort to eviscerate the fNWA guys from the committee structure (the ones that have substance, not the chief bottle washing, here you got one guy committee) which at DAL answers to one person, rather than the way it should be, and that's to the entire MEC.
Ya know guys, if the ratio was 90/10, or 75/25 or even 66/33, I'd say fine. But you are dealing with nearly half your pilot group that pays attention to what goes on, because we brought a culture of WATCHING and engaging, and not just sitting under a toadstool. If they really want to continue down this path of ****ing people off, then so be it. I wouldn't be surprised to see recall resolutions out of 1 and 20 next time around.
Nu
The company stuff is one thing, and none of us really has any control over it. If we're sitting here arguing the small stuff, then we must be getting along ok.
OTOH, as far as the union stuff, well, these guys represent us, and are SUPPOSED to have our best interests in mind. All I see is an effort to eviscerate the fNWA guys from the committee structure (the ones that have substance, not the chief bottle washing, here you got one guy committee) which at DAL answers to one person, rather than the way it should be, and that's to the entire MEC.
Ya know guys, if the ratio was 90/10, or 75/25 or even 66/33, I'd say fine. But you are dealing with nearly half your pilot group that pays attention to what goes on, because we brought a culture of WATCHING and engaging, and not just sitting under a toadstool. If they really want to continue down this path of ****ing people off, then so be it. I wouldn't be surprised to see recall resolutions out of 1 and 20 next time around.
Nu
MEC Voting reps: 13 fDAL, 8 fNWA - but that's all driven by bases and out of control of current DAL MEC
MEC Officers: 2 fDAL, 2 fNWA - seems pretty even
MEC Exec Admins: 1 fDAL, 1 fNWA - seems pretty even
MEC Committee Chairmen: No idea, but I know its pretty close to 50-50
You act like you guys are being shut out of the process, and NOTHING could be further from the truth. Ask some of the former Republic guys how long it was before they had ANY representation in the MEC Admin after the REP/NWA merger? I heard it was 6 years!
Carry on.
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03-09-2010, 01:04 PM
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AirTran CEO Bob Fornaro told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Tuesday that the discount carrier has lost flights and customers to a “much stronger” Delta during the past several years.
“Today, Delta is much stronger than the Delta we saw four or five years ago,” the AirTran exec said during the J.P. Morgan Aviation, Transportation & Defense Conference in New York. “They’ve been able to ultimately take back customers that we actually borrowed for a couple of years. They are a tough competitor.”
Fornaro said AirTran has reduced the number of flights it operates from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, its largest hub, by more than 20%, from a high of 260 in 2008 to about 200 today.
“We were able to gain a lot of leisure and business travel from Delta,” in the years following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, which helped AirTran post strong profits in 2007, Fornaro told the AJC.
He credited Delta’s successful emergence from bankruptcy in 2007 and the 2008 merger as reasons for Delta’s resurgence.
“Today, Delta is much stronger than the Delta we saw four or five years ago,” the AirTran exec said during the J.P. Morgan Aviation, Transportation & Defense Conference in New York. “They’ve been able to ultimately take back customers that we actually borrowed for a couple of years. They are a tough competitor.”
Fornaro said AirTran has reduced the number of flights it operates from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, its largest hub, by more than 20%, from a high of 260 in 2008 to about 200 today.
“We were able to gain a lot of leisure and business travel from Delta,” in the years following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, which helped AirTran post strong profits in 2007, Fornaro told the AJC.
He credited Delta’s successful emergence from bankruptcy in 2007 and the 2008 merger as reasons for Delta’s resurgence.
03-09-2010, 01:05 PM
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As to Safety, it is headed by a fNWA guy, just a different one, as is Training, Security, NAPAP, 2 of the 3 MEC Officers. Hardly just token Committee's Nu. Rome wasn't built in a day. How bout we revisit where we are in a year and compare notes?
03-09-2010, 01:14 PM
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Love ya Clamp, but this has been the heartburn from the NWA side for the whole time. Also, NWA wasn't PCL...you rarely saw any releases higher than 2.
No consideration for the way things MIGHT be better, or more efficient, even to take a glimpse, but all we see is continual justification and rationalization, sometimes to an absurd level, to the way things are.
Interrupt your pre-flight flow because the CA is using the paperwork? No problem, just stop what you're doing and do something else.
Get pushed and let technology work for you? Or just sit at the gate while the agent brings MORE paper?
Get the company to actually PROVIDE payroll information that should be free for the asking? Nah, just pay money to a completely separate company to get them to do what the company SHOULD be doing (this one is my favorite)...
Force the company to actually use the Caller ID the way it was intended? Or justify the reason why you shouldn't answer the phone in your very own household?
Allow a committee structure that has specialized skills to run things autonomously that need timely responses? Or just force everything to go through a choke point?
The company stuff is one thing, and none of us really has any control over it. If we're sitting here arguing the small stuff, then we must be getting along ok.
OTOH, as far as the union stuff, well, these guys represent us, and are SUPPOSED to have our best interests in mind. All I see is an effort to eviscerate the fNWA guys from the committee structure (the ones that have substance, not the chief bottle washing, here you got one guy committee) which at DAL answers to one person, rather than the way it should be, and that's to the entire MEC.
Ya know guys, if the ratio was 90/10, or 75/25 or even 66/33, I'd say fine. But you are dealing with nearly half your pilot group that pays attention to what goes on, because we brought a culture of WATCHING and engaging, and not just sitting under a toadstool. If they really want to continue down this path of ****ing people off, then so be it. I wouldn't be surprised to see recall resolutions out of 1 and 20 next time around.
Nu
No consideration for the way things MIGHT be better, or more efficient, even to take a glimpse, but all we see is continual justification and rationalization, sometimes to an absurd level, to the way things are.
Interrupt your pre-flight flow because the CA is using the paperwork? No problem, just stop what you're doing and do something else.
Get pushed and let technology work for you? Or just sit at the gate while the agent brings MORE paper?
Get the company to actually PROVIDE payroll information that should be free for the asking? Nah, just pay money to a completely separate company to get them to do what the company SHOULD be doing (this one is my favorite)...
Force the company to actually use the Caller ID the way it was intended? Or justify the reason why you shouldn't answer the phone in your very own household?
Allow a committee structure that has specialized skills to run things autonomously that need timely responses? Or just force everything to go through a choke point?
The company stuff is one thing, and none of us really has any control over it. If we're sitting here arguing the small stuff, then we must be getting along ok.
OTOH, as far as the union stuff, well, these guys represent us, and are SUPPOSED to have our best interests in mind. All I see is an effort to eviscerate the fNWA guys from the committee structure (the ones that have substance, not the chief bottle washing, here you got one guy committee) which at DAL answers to one person, rather than the way it should be, and that's to the entire MEC.
Ya know guys, if the ratio was 90/10, or 75/25 or even 66/33, I'd say fine. But you are dealing with nearly half your pilot group that pays attention to what goes on, because we brought a culture of WATCHING and engaging, and not just sitting under a toadstool. If they really want to continue down this path of ****ing people off, then so be it. I wouldn't be surprised to see recall resolutions out of 1 and 20 next time around.
Nu
You get too emotional on this stuff... Try to relax and live a little! I rarely saw releases higher than 2 as well, I was being sarcastic.
What you're missing is that significant consideration was given to the 2 programs. There were many battles fought at the higher up levels over this... FPS won those battles and was determined to be more efficient.
Personally, I don't miss one bit having to wait for the numbers uplink after we started taxiing. I hated having to input numbers on the go. I much prefer having 2 heads up, and it was even worse when there was a delay on the numbers.
As far as bringing more paperwork down to the cockpit... the only guys who probably should do that are the ones on the 9. AWABS is a much newer system than MGL and I don't miss MGL one bit.... ever.
As far as interrupting my flow while waiting on the CA... not hardly. The worst it gets is me asking what the landing elevation is or finishing making my fuel breakdown notes on my notepad. I actually write the identical notes on my notepad that I used to with worldflight. I check over the entire release in the same manner. You'll learn it and get used to it. The same info is there and is just as efficient or more efficient.
I like the Caller ID thing...although there's never been a time where I didn't know it was scheduling, haha.
Some, not all of your assertions about the union are spot on... some couldn't be farther from the truth. The fact is that the way the guy resigned was very typical of the way things were done at NWALPA... very emotional and lots of fist pumping. It worked for you guys very well... the way DALPA does things works as well. I personally get fatigued by all the emotional calls to action and pitchworks with the former north guys, and the way DALPA holds things in drives me nuts too. There's got to be a good balance between the quiet dictator and the bull in a china shop.
The two cultures are going to butt heads a bit... the best part is that we're complaining about freaking releases STILL as opposed to something that actually matters in the long run. That's a merger done right...
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03-09-2010, 01:34 PM
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Love ya Clamp, but this has been the heartburn from the NWA side for the whole time. Also, NWA wasn't PCL...you rarely saw any releases higher than 2.
No consideration for the way things MIGHT be better, or more efficient, even to take a glimpse, but all we see is continual justification and rationalization, sometimes to an absurd level, to the way things are.
Interrupt your pre-flight flow because the CA is using the paperwork? No problem, just stop what you're doing and do something else.
Get pushed and let technology work for you? Or just sit at the gate while the agent brings MORE paper?
Get the company to actually PROVIDE payroll information that should be free for the asking? Nah, just pay money to a completely separate company to get them to do what the company SHOULD be doing (this one is my favorite)...
Force the company to actually use the Caller ID the way it was intended? Or justify the reason why you shouldn't answer the phone in your very own household?
Allow a committee structure that has specialized skills to run things autonomously that need timely responses? Or just force everything to go through a choke point?
The company stuff is one thing, and none of us really has any control over it. If we're sitting here arguing the small stuff, then we must be getting along ok.
OTOH, as far as the union stuff, well, these guys represent us, and are SUPPOSED to have our best interests in mind. All I see is an effort to eviscerate the fNWA guys from the committee structure (the ones that have substance, not the chief bottle washing, here you got one guy committee) which at DAL answers to one person, rather than the way it should be, and that's to the entire MEC.
Ya know guys, if the ratio was 90/10, or 75/25 or even 66/33, I'd say fine. But you are dealing with nearly half your pilot group that pays attention to what goes on, because we brought a culture of WATCHING and engaging, and not just sitting under a toadstool. If they really want to continue down this path of ****ing people off, then so be it. I wouldn't be surprised to see recall resolutions out of 1 and 20 next time around.
Nu
No consideration for the way things MIGHT be better, or more efficient, even to take a glimpse, but all we see is continual justification and rationalization, sometimes to an absurd level, to the way things are.
Interrupt your pre-flight flow because the CA is using the paperwork? No problem, just stop what you're doing and do something else.
Get pushed and let technology work for you? Or just sit at the gate while the agent brings MORE paper?
Get the company to actually PROVIDE payroll information that should be free for the asking? Nah, just pay money to a completely separate company to get them to do what the company SHOULD be doing (this one is my favorite)...
Force the company to actually use the Caller ID the way it was intended? Or justify the reason why you shouldn't answer the phone in your very own household?
Allow a committee structure that has specialized skills to run things autonomously that need timely responses? Or just force everything to go through a choke point?
The company stuff is one thing, and none of us really has any control over it. If we're sitting here arguing the small stuff, then we must be getting along ok.
OTOH, as far as the union stuff, well, these guys represent us, and are SUPPOSED to have our best interests in mind. All I see is an effort to eviscerate the fNWA guys from the committee structure (the ones that have substance, not the chief bottle washing, here you got one guy committee) which at DAL answers to one person, rather than the way it should be, and that's to the entire MEC.
Ya know guys, if the ratio was 90/10, or 75/25 or even 66/33, I'd say fine. But you are dealing with nearly half your pilot group that pays attention to what goes on, because we brought a culture of WATCHING and engaging, and not just sitting under a toadstool. If they really want to continue down this path of ****ing people off, then so be it. I wouldn't be surprised to see recall resolutions out of 1 and 20 next time around.
Nu
Someone needs to change their tampon....
03-09-2010, 01:38 PM
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Perspective truly counts for so much!
03-09-2010, 02:35 PM
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And all WE see is constant whining about the most petty of things. DC9 guys complaining because they will have to bring more scratch paper from home! GMAB. I flew the -9 as an F/O for two years. I had a pad (3x5?) and I easily fit everything I needed on that. You guys are acting like the sky is gonna fall down if you don't get a 2nd release. Sheesh..
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