Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-09-2010, 10:19 AM
Da Hudge
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Learning a new system is never fun... however AWABS/WDR is a great system and extremely simple. Think of the preface as similar to the paper closeout MGL. Thoe final WDR that yoou get uplinked is like what you got on the taxi out. Instead of having to request each individual runway, the current runways in use in the ATIS are automatically given to you (including if an intersection is advertised). Only if you get an oddball will you have to do the "88/rwy" thing. Don't make it harder on yourself than it is!
The agents are learning the system too. I had to chase down the agent the other day and try to explain to her what the WDR preface was. It's a learning curve...
DC-9 guys: Instead of yelling and gnashing of teeth, there is a very very simple solution to not being able to print out the final WDR: Get the agent to print it out.
That's it. Problem solved. Nothing more required. If consistent delays are caused by it, the people that get paid the big bucks will come up with a correction. Be safe and keep it simple.
The agents are learning the system too. I had to chase down the agent the other day and try to explain to her what the WDR preface was. It's a learning curve...
DC-9 guys: Instead of yelling and gnashing of teeth, there is a very very simple solution to not being able to print out the final WDR: Get the agent to print it out.
That's it. Problem solved. Nothing more required. If consistent delays are caused by it, the people that get paid the big bucks will come up with a correction. Be safe and keep it simple.
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03-09-2010, 10:39 AM
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And then the re-route comes and you're carrying useless intel.
On the other paper stuff...I think it comes down to cockpit paperwork management: Less is More. On International, we used to have two copies of everything. One was the Master, which got turned in to the company after the trip. The other was scrap. We now get one copy, also turned in, etc... Much better.
If a second or third release/flt plan comes down, having only one copy sure makes sorting things out easier and will help keep y'all out of trouble/'The Cone of Confusion.'
For scratch paper, you might try using the bottom portion of the Weather Briefing. After pushback, it's hardly looked at, and if it's REALLY needed, you know where to find it, IMMHO & YMMV.
03-09-2010, 10:44 AM
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03-09-2010, 10:55 AM
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03-09-2010, 11:00 AM
No longer cares
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Personally I don't care anymore about this issue, but I think maybe a definition is in order. At DAL-S, the release is a 4.25 x 8.5 inch piece of paper that comes out on top of the flight plan. The CA signs this and gives it to the gate agent when he/she leaves and shuts the door. Is this what all this whining is about fro the N side? One little itty bitty piece of paper? Or.... are you referring to "the release" as something much bigger?
03-09-2010, 11:10 AM
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Personally I don't care anymore about this issue, but I think maybe a definition is in order. At DAL-S, the release is a 4.25 x 8.5 inch piece of paper that comes out on top of the flight plan. The CA signs this and gives it to the gate agent when he/she leaves and shuts the door. Is this what all this whining is about fro the N side? One little itty bitty piece of paper? Or.... are you referring to "the release" as something much bigger?
03-09-2010, 11:20 AM
Happy to be here
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Possibly more efficiently and easier would help everyone and I am always for easier and less effort. But your opinion of our way is the only way improves nothing. Small thinking. But we are getting used to the DAL way of thinking that our way is the only way. We can and will adapt but it is sad that you don't want to maybe hear about a better way. Falls right in line that you guys know how to fly the 747-400 having never flown it and we have been flying it for years. But no, you have the all mighty crystal ball that this is the way to do it.
Usually I respect your post, but this one I don't and disagree respectfully.
Usually I respect your post, but this one I don't and disagree respectfully.
There are many things NWA did better, and the A team took all of that and will start to integrate it. The goal was SOC with adopt and go.
Comments like, "small thinking," do nothing. I understand the issue many have about adopting something that was done 10 years ago, and you found a better way.
My point is, Do not sweat the small stuff. We are still operating our flights. If you want a change, suggest it. I really do not get wrapped around the axle on how they want me to fly their jet. I just do it. If it is safe, great, if not, I will submit a suggestion. If it could be improved, let people know.
80% of the changes are for you. I do not know your way. You tell them, I can't. My issue is when we all go nuts over something as simple as a format change on a fricken release.
If that is small thinking then so be it. I am more concerned about improvements to the career, not my callouts, or how I enter v-speeds. Just me.
03-09-2010, 11:21 AM
Can't abide NAI
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03-09-2010, 11:23 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Paperwork.
Captain:
First Officer:
Relief First Officer:
Captain:
First Officer:
Relief First Officer:
03-09-2010, 11:23 AM
Da Hudge
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There's always time to spare to do things right. I choose not to yell and complain about it... I do it when it needs to be done. If I need something printed out, I go and ask for it. Who cares if some agent with their hair on fire pitches a fit about it? The plane isn't going to go anywhere until you're ready and have what you need. We control the brakes and the go levers, you know that. Personally, the more I get rushed, the more I dig my feet in the ground and make sure it's done right.
Like I said, if the new process causes frequent delays due to the lack of a printer on the 9 side of things, then modifications will have to be made. I personally wouldn't move the airplane without a printed WDR. It's too jumbled on the acars screen.
This system was designed for a modern fleet equipped with printers... Now we'll see if interim adjustments need to be made.
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