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03-07-2010, 02:44 PM
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With my limited knowledge of GS flying, I am with you Nu. I think that the over 80 was much more equitable for the entire group. My take is that senior in base guys get the majority of GS flying. I have heard that the hightset paid guy bids a 737 sch out of ATL, drops his whole sch, and then fills up with green slips every month. That does not seem quite right to me and maybe this is incorrect information. Can anyone shed some light on this???
Point is that even though a lot will go out in the summer, they are not a sure thing.
Nu;
Not saying one is better than the other. They are different and the merits of each system need to be considered. I have been told they did that.
Also GS flying only going to in base pilots is not true. May guys will commute in for them. I have seen GS trips assigned well before 12 hrs prior to report. The norm, no, but it happens. Most of the GS flying is last minute and even at 1.5 pay over 80, pilots that live close would be the only pilots that could make the trip.
Also as our VP's have stated we are not a commuter airline, so I guess you could deduce that this is just one more reason to move! (I keed I keed)
03-07-2010, 02:52 PM
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I had that happen a few months ago. Went to the downtown hotel. Called crew accommodations to see if they would be willing to let me ride with another crew or resked my transport. Sure no problem. Take care of all of the details, confirm with the van company, scheduling, and Crew Accommodations
Get up the next morning and go down stairs, no van. Call van company, it was canceled. Call sked, they have no clue, call Accommodations, and they admit they cnxed it. Transportation is your problem. Argued a few times and sure enough they said they would reinstate it, but it never happened. Paid 40 bucks to get to the airport and came home. Never again.
03-07-2010, 02:53 PM
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330, like the puppy! Sniff sniff
03-07-2010, 03:55 PM
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03-07-2010, 03:56 PM
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The long term effect at NWA was that we went from 6600 pilots to 5000 pilots. The MSP ALPA Mafia always said HIT flying had no effect on staffing, but the company later admitted it did. NWA was very "data driven", we always ran in the red when it came to staffing, that's why we never hired the kind of numbers that other airlines hired during the good old days... I believe the most we hired in one year was in '96 and it didn't reach 600 pilots. HIT flying came after that and the rest is history. Let the over 80 premium die, it's gone, bye, bye!!
What I like about our system is that people that want to pick up overtime, i.e. help the company out while they help themselves (nothing wrong with that, of course) don't get rewarded for keeping the staffing low in advance. Now, these people have to make decisions with the WS/GS system. If they really need/want/plan on/lust after after that flying, they have to commit to a WS, at straight rates. That, of course, removes a potential GS from the pot, and makes GSWC very unlikely. If they don't go sort of "greedy early", and they sit tight, then they and everyone else around them, has the potential for true premium pay with a GS, IA, or even a GSWC at the last minute. The fact everyone gets a shot at a GS, in seniority order, is icing on the cake: it stops the problem we used to have on the South side, with senior people hogging the extra flying.
When that happens, and the company needs us because they are not staffing enough, they cough up 2X pay. When we do the opposite, and try to help them keep the staffing nice and tight, we don't get rewarded with premium flying. The habit is not fed. The incentives reward having a normal schedule, and stepping up only when the company hurts, at a fair premium rate.
What's not to like?
If this is a philosophical discussion (and I don't think it is), then it's a philosophical discussion that pits those who routinely want more flying, and don't like the straight rates, vs. those that want to pick up the occasional flying at premium rates. I'm in the second camp. Seems a little more "pilot-oriented", and "union-like". Sounds a little more, dare I say it... "militant".
***Just to be clear, when I say "this discussion", I'm not specifically referring to what Nu and Keenster are saying, but to the general, recurring discussion about the "HIT" flying vs. GS that's been going and going for some period of time.
Last edited by Sink r8; 03-07-2010 at 04:21 PM. Reason: Adding "disclaimer".
03-07-2010, 04:10 PM
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03-07-2010, 04:36 PM
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Might want to remove the Facebook link...We can see ALL your stuff LOL
03-07-2010, 04:47 PM
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Whoopsadaisy. Didn't realize that one... note to self!
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Hope ya'll liked seeing me in a dress.
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03-07-2010, 05:00 PM
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I have no desire to be forced to work on my day off. Another step backward from the NWA PWA.
Nu
03-07-2010, 05:04 PM
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At DL you're never forced to work on your day off (unless it's the extremely rare situation of getting a regular trip into your x-days...). It's only offered.
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