slowplay

Yes. Anything that can accept a winglet without extensive modifications is going to get them according to Gorman.

johnso29

slowplay,

Could you answer a contract question for me?(Or anyone who knows feel free to chime in)

I'm a reserve FO, and was assigned a 3 day tomorrow. It's an out of base trip, so a DH was built on the front and the back. I was hoping to do an off rotation DH at the end of the trip. I saw this



9. A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead at the end of a rotation will be responsible
for his transportation.
Exception one: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead to travel to his base at the
end of a rotation, prior to his scheduled deadhead, will be provided positive space on-line
transportation if sales are authorized at the time of his attempted booking.
Exception two: A pilot who utilizes an off-rotation deadhead to travel to a domestic
airport (other than his base) in the vicinity of his permanent residence at the end of a
rotation will be provided positive space on-line transportation if:
a. sales are authorized at the time of the attempted booking,
b. the routing does not pass through the pilot’s base,
c. the routing does not exceed the number of deadhead segments scheduled, and
d. the flight segment(s) departs:
1) prior to the originally scheduled deadhead, or
2) on the same day as the originally scheduled deadhead.
Exception three: A pilot deadheading under Section 8 E. 9. Exception one or two may
attempt his booking at any time after the report of his rotation.

So if I'm interpreting this correctly I should get a PS pass from MEM to my commute airport so long as it meets the requirements(which is does), but crew scheduling told me they couldn't do it because the flight I want to take is an RJ. Is there an LOA or exception I missed? Is this accurate? Should I not get a PS pass to the airport of my choosing?

Answers appreciated.

johnso29

And to clarify, I believe it has been determined that the 55XX series 757's from NWA will take extensive mods for winglets and therefore will NOT receive them.

Denny Crane

Johnso,

I cannot find the reference but I think you can only deviate from DH and get PS on a mainline flight. It used to be (I do not know if it is still this way) that you could not be DH'd on DCI. One time I had to do a double DH to get back to base at the end of a trip when there was an RJ non-stop. I deviated and nonreved back on the RJ. You can still deviate but just not get the PS.

Denny

johnso29

Thanks Denny,

I can't find any direct wording in the contract, but I bet it can be spun as Pinnacle being an 'offline' DH rather then a off-rotation DH. What's funny is they don't have any problem sending me on an RJ when it benefits them, but they won't give me a seat home even though it's in my contract. No where does it say it has to be a mainline flight, but I can see them spinning it to their advantage as usual.

RoughLandings

Thanks slow.

I figured it would be done at DAL, since gas isn't getting any cheaper. Any word on what it will do for the range? CASM?

And they sure do look purdy.

hockeypilot44

I thought they could positive space us on Compass, Mesaba, Comair, and Pinnacle along with mainline.

TANSTAAFL

The company is always pushing, or at least NWA did. Our job is to elect Reps who don't pee down their leg every time management tries to push. Ditto the negotiators the Reps elect. It's been said before, but I agree the cooperative engagement honeymoon is soon going to be over, and we need to be prepared to fight for anything we want, including simple enforcement of the contract.

Diplomacy is only credible with the unspoken backdrop of force, and the actual willingness to use it. FWIW, I don't see any reason for concern at the moment. Of course management is going to try - they wouldn't be doing their job if the didn't. And we are just going to say no. Period.

And if not....

YouTube - Waylon Jennings - Atlanta's Burning Down

johnso29

So did I. They can DH us on them, so I don't see why an off rotation DH is any different.

NuGuy

THIS.

READ IT. BURN IT INTO YOUR BRAINS.

WHY DO PEOPLE JUMP AT SNAKES? BECAUSE THEY STRIKE.

Nu