scambo1

Anyone watching AGQ this morning?

acl65pilot

As many have stated DAL needs to recognize that it is in their best interest to in-source. We do not need to convince them nor pay the price for them.

As I have stated, the cost would be great. Not because of the "cost" of the operation, but the price quoted to us by the Car Salesman; "Delta Management."

In the current context, it would probably be a car we would walk away from. It does not mean we would not return a few weeks later to see if the salesman realized the errors of his way, it just means that there may be better deals for that amount of capital.

I agree that "someday" it will be in DAL's best interest to in-source. That is why for now: Not one more pound, seat nor jet," makes sense. I want all of the jets here too, we just need to find a way to do it, and not cost this career any more!

Make sense?

chuck416

Hi Scambo,
Don't mean to be impertinent, but what is AGQ?
Thanks,
chuck

NuGuy

As I said, Apples and Oranges.

The big money is in the ownership of the practice, not the practice of medicine.

Ask him what he pays his "fill-in" DVMs or one just starting out. My guess is around 55k.

No, I would not be shocked at what people pay. I've seen tabs in excess of five figures at a friends hospital. But that cut goes to the house, not the dealer.

Nu

scambo1

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Yahoo finance type AGQ in the get quote bar.

DYODD IMO its tapping against a resistence level...good stuff!

Bucking Bar

Well that Joe Williams has a firm grasp on the obvious 'eh?

Slow and ACL65,

Unless a study has recently been accomplished, the most recent economic evaluation of outsourcing was accomplished leading up to bankruptcy* and provided justification for allowing the 3rd and 4th generation regional jets to fly up to 76 seats. (roughly the LOA50 time frame where we see a lot of this quid pro quo for outsourcing flying back and forth)

Where is the logical place for this outsourcing to stop? Once our union takes the position that job security & progression can be dealt away to benefit a preferred pilot at the expense of another pilot, why not 100 seats, or 184 seats? Why not right up to where ever the pilot at the 49% percentile falls on the list?

Ball is in your Court. I ask that you tell us:

(1) Why going forward is the 76 seat RJ with current weight limitations the logical hinge point for outsourcing?

(2) Will this job security breakwater hold in future bargaining?

(3) Is it appropriate for our union to allow one pilot to deal away another pilot's job security and career progression?

Question #3 is really my Don Quixote mission calling. While I do recognize the pragmatic reasons for our current position (my concern is forward looking and the next round of fleet renewal), I do not think it appropriate for a union to advertise to management and its membership that some jobs & pilots who perform that work are worth less. It is dumb policy. Even if your intent is to sell these pilots down the river the impression should be made that they are very valuable.

ALPA (and Delta Management) are the only folks I know of dumb enough to advertise their "FOR SALE" items like this:

FOR SALE: Old wore out, too expensive to operate, worthless jets and pilots. Prone to striking, complaining and way too senior for their positions, causing increased longevity costs. We paid Billions for them, but fleet renewal and jobs have been outsourced to Republic and Skywest. Please send any offers care of SURPLUS DEPT., Virginia Ave., Atlanta GA.

For example, if Delta really wanted to sell Comair, why not give them the big airplane awards THEN sell them to Republic or SkyWest? Instead we gave away flying to non-ALPA carriers and tanked our own asset, which we then wrote down for a loss on our won balance sheet. Can someone 'splain to me how that was smart business?

Or, taking "credits" for selling job security provisions (specifically DC9 jobs) and then watching those "credits" disappear in bankruptcy just a few months later? Of course the outsourcing lasts forever despite the fact the credits vanished.

Or, ALPA specifically making deals to outsource to non union, non ALPA, pilots.

acl65pilot

Ball is in your Court. I ask that you tell us:

(1) Why going forward is the 76 seat RJ with current weight limitations the logical hinge point for outsourcing?

My opinion is it was at 70 seats but 1113C raised the bar by a first class section. Now that those jets are off property, it is not the economics of operation is it is the economics of buy back.

(2) Will this job security breakwater hold in future bargaining?

According to some we are just delaying the inevitable. I disagree.
It depends on education. You know this. Showing our group that the 100 seat concession in the next Ch11 round will effect their jobs will in the end make the group as a whole decide that standing strong at all costs is worth it. Until then it is a question mark. I have answered this before.
I know I am willing to fight for that line. Period. Simply put after that it is not my fight as if I survive the sale, the career will not be worth having with my seniority. Even if I was senior enough to clear this collision, I would fight for it. Why? That is simple, my job will be next.

(3) Is it appropriate for our union to allow one pilot to deal away another pilot's job security and career progression?
Loaded question:
Are you suggesting we dump ALPA and go to the Jet Blue style of contract where each pilot signs their own five year deal? If not you need to have a group that takes the best interest of the gander and not a single goose to mind. IMO, D-ALPA is morphing more to a position that is favorable to this.

Back to you!

acl65pilot

As for the last part:

Drama and I agree that if OH was truly "FOR SALE" we would do as you suggested. Problem is that we are awarding flying to maintain min contractual levels in these FFD agreements.

All of that will change as the rests happen. Even you and I agree with this.

johnso29

On a side note,

Anybody know how long a delinquent credit card payment stays on a credit report? I missed one 5+ years ago during my Flight Instruction days and all 3 agencies still show it!

When will they let it go??

Bucking Bar

Of course. I understand that prior to the merger, prior to bankruptcy, economic analysis was done.

What started all of this recent scope tirade was your instruction telling us to "look at the costs" and your apparent reconsideration of scope restoration in light of pressure to take outsourcing to 100 seats.

Basically what I and thousands of other ALPA members are looking for is a blanket statement from our leadership that we are done trading job security away for temporary gains.

If we are going forward with the concept that some Delta pilots' jobs are not worth protecting and some careers are not worth advancing, then I want to know where that line is, and where that line is going to be.

It is a simple question, packed in political C4. ... Do understand I'm just being particularly tough on you because you are one of the brightest.

The point being, never abandon the high ground.