Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-25-2010, 06:35 PM
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Where do I look? What am I looking for? What does it look like? Is it big, or small, fat or tall? Is it a Snipe, or something that you trip over while out Cow Tipping?
My Reps won't ask where it is at. Management says it doesn't exist and that they want to do Delta flying. So where's that cost I'm supposed to look at?
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KING EVERYWHERE, haven't found it yet.
You guys stop holding out on me.
My Reps won't ask where it is at. Management says it doesn't exist and that they want to do Delta flying. So where's that cost I'm supposed to look at?
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KING EVERYWHERE, haven't found it yet. You guys stop holding out on me.
02-25-2010, 06:43 PM
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Anybody got the intel on two of our FAs getting into it in Rochester, refusing to fly with each other and the flight getting cnx? Some of my pax were talking about it today.
02-25-2010, 06:45 PM
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Small jet scope is dead. They need to let that one go because that ship has sailed, and it ain't coming back.
You're smarter than that, Johnso. We shouldn't believe either one of the statements above.. Pensions don't have to be DB plans.
02-25-2010, 06:47 PM
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As much as I'd like to have DCI airplanes at mainline Delta, I can't see it happening - here's why:
Cost....The DCI airplanes right now are maintained by mechanics being are probably paid less than they are at Delta. The planes are dispatched using dispatchers who are paid less than Delta dispatchers. Cleaned by people making less than Delta cleaners (maybe, they might use the same people). The Flight attendants make less than Delta flight attendants. The gate agents are paid less than Delta gate agents.
The cost of repairing the CRJ-900 would be at mainline Delta costs - not DCI costs. Same for dispatchers, cleaners, and flight attendants.
So - the cost of dispatching, maintaining, serving drinks, etc on the former DCI plane go up, but the pilot cost would be the same.
Cost....The DCI airplanes right now are maintained by mechanics being are probably paid less than they are at Delta. The planes are dispatched using dispatchers who are paid less than Delta dispatchers. Cleaned by people making less than Delta cleaners (maybe, they might use the same people). The Flight attendants make less than Delta flight attendants. The gate agents are paid less than Delta gate agents.
The cost of repairing the CRJ-900 would be at mainline Delta costs - not DCI costs. Same for dispatchers, cleaners, and flight attendants.
So - the cost of dispatching, maintaining, serving drinks, etc on the former DCI plane go up, but the pilot cost would be the same.
Republic has the same list flying Chautauqua, Shuttle America, MidWest, Republic across Certificates. We need to at least get a good handle on how that works. It seems to work well for them:
Originally Posted by Press Release Source: Republic Airways Holdings Inc.
Wednesday February 24, 2010, 6:54 pm EST
Wednesday February 24, 2010, 6:54 pm EST
INDIANAPOLIS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Republic Airways Holdings Inc. today reported operating revenues of $637.3 million for the quarter ended December 31, 2009, an 87.9% increase, compared to $339.3 million for the same period last year.
Oh and Republic ordered 80 new narrow body "mainline" jets today. We wet ourselves over 2 777's and MD90's the Chinese don't want anymore.
02-25-2010, 06:56 PM
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02-25-2010, 07:00 PM
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What about defining the city pairs or city size that DCI could fly to. That way main line jets would fly to the larger city pairs leaving the RJs for the small cities that will not support a 100 seat airplane. Could be done on a population basis. that way we are not bringing the smaller jets onboard for DAL pilots to fly and mainline jets stopgetting replaced on big city pairs. THoughts?????
02-25-2010, 07:02 PM
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SECOND: D-ALPA has gone out of its way to avoid doing economic analysis on recovery. Even when it is their job to perform economic evaluation prior to entering bargaining, they have failed to do so. They aren't dumb. They avoid economic analysis on issues they do not want to confront. There is no way anyone can know "recovering the 76 seat flying would just cost too much" when no one has seriously studied it and no economic analysis has been done. If I'm wrong then put up the data to shut me up.
Your base statement is wrong. There have been multiple economic analyses done. They've been done by ALPA E&FA, by the Collective Bargaining committee, and by an outside financial advisor. The data isn't public, as I'm sure that you'd prefer we not solidly make management's points for them. But you're flat out wrong.
You talk of job security. How many DCI pilots are on furlough? How many mainline pilots are on furlough? How many 76 seat jets can be added? How many greater than 50 seat jets can be added?
Last edited by slowplay; 02-25-2010 at 07:15 PM. Reason: taking out the angry outburst
02-25-2010, 07:04 PM
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I think he meant pensions in the old form are dead.... and actually aren't something we should want. If it's not in my name, no thanks.
Good points, though.
02-25-2010, 07:12 PM
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Don Quixote, didn't we go through this last year? And the year before?
Your base statement is wrong. There have been multiple economic analyses done. They've been done by ALPA E&FA, by the Collective Bargaining committee, and by an outside financial advisor. The data isn't public, as I'm sure that you'd prefer we not solidly make management's points for them. But you're flat out wrong.
You talk of job security. How many DCI pilots are on furlough? How many mainline pilots are on furlough? How many 76 seat jets can be added? How many greater than 50 seat jets can be added? I get it. You want protection underneath you (furlough fodder for yourself). Is that right?
Your base statement is wrong. There have been multiple economic analyses done. They've been done by ALPA E&FA, by the Collective Bargaining committee, and by an outside financial advisor. The data isn't public, as I'm sure that you'd prefer we not solidly make management's points for them. But you're flat out wrong.
You talk of job security. How many DCI pilots are on furlough? How many mainline pilots are on furlough? How many 76 seat jets can be added? How many greater than 50 seat jets can be added? I get it. You want protection underneath you (furlough fodder for yourself). Is that right?
02-25-2010, 07:18 PM
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I edited my comment. You're correct that it was an immature emotional response to the series that Bar has posted. As far as outsourcing, though, can you answer the questions I posed?
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