Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-21-2010, 11:23 AM
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The profession needs to offer an alternative to regional wages. When a pilot is trying to get in to this industry they go where they go because that is really the only option. Give them something better and they will take it.
There are not enough freight or night cargo jobs flying checks. Little Bills in congress have largely gotten rid of that route as technology has taken over. The military option is no longer a direct path as many go fly UAV's on the first or second tour. Regionals are really the most direct path that many have.
Now that upgrade is not a year or two, pilots at the regionals are fighting to make better wages off the bat. The way ALPA is set up, that is up to their MEC's, but the pressure is there. The two year upgrade is gone. There is about a four to five year window of opportunity to change these wages as, in half a decade they will be hiring Captains off the street once again.
There are not enough freight or night cargo jobs flying checks. Little Bills in congress have largely gotten rid of that route as technology has taken over. The military option is no longer a direct path as many go fly UAV's on the first or second tour. Regionals are really the most direct path that many have.
Now that upgrade is not a year or two, pilots at the regionals are fighting to make better wages off the bat. The way ALPA is set up, that is up to their MEC's, but the pressure is there. The two year upgrade is gone. There is about a four to five year window of opportunity to change these wages as, in half a decade they will be hiring Captains off the street once again.
I've still been lurking here... just havent been as talkative!
I had a chat with super about that whole deal last night. DL reserve is very easy. I've been here for 3 years now, and only 3 of my months here have been as a regular lineholder.
Just like any reserve system, it just takes a couple months to get the hang of and learn the nuances. Never underestimate the power of the sexy voice.
I like the default to long call over having to bid for it. I've sat both top of the pile reserve and bottom of the pile reserve. Senior reserve you get weekends off and by virtue of that sit on your butt most of the month. Junior reserve you work weekends, and by virtue of that you fly more.
My only gripes with our reserve system are as follows:
1-4 trips should be credited to what a lineholder gets.
5. Short call should add to credit.
6. 75 hours would be nice.
7. The elusive short calls and that being totally at the whim of scheduling.
If any of you junior NERDs have any questions at all about reserve. PLEASE PM me. I can clear up a lot of stuff and give you some good technique so it's not so mysterious and will make a lot more sense when and why something happens. It will be a lot less frustrating.
And whenever you do get frustrated: fullfill your obligations and no more. Don't try to fix a situation that they have gotten themseves into. "Let Delta be Delta" is a great thing to say to yourself whenever you see something special ed going on.
They really do have the best intentions 99% of the time... just sometimes things get jacked up. It's an airline!
I had a chat with super about that whole deal last night. DL reserve is very easy. I've been here for 3 years now, and only 3 of my months here have been as a regular lineholder.
Just like any reserve system, it just takes a couple months to get the hang of and learn the nuances. Never underestimate the power of the sexy voice.
I like the default to long call over having to bid for it. I've sat both top of the pile reserve and bottom of the pile reserve. Senior reserve you get weekends off and by virtue of that sit on your butt most of the month. Junior reserve you work weekends, and by virtue of that you fly more.
My only gripes with our reserve system are as follows:
1-4 trips should be credited to what a lineholder gets.
5. Short call should add to credit.
6. 75 hours would be nice.
7. The elusive short calls and that being totally at the whim of scheduling.
If any of you junior NERDs have any questions at all about reserve. PLEASE PM me. I can clear up a lot of stuff and give you some good technique so it's not so mysterious and will make a lot more sense when and why something happens. It will be a lot less frustrating.
And whenever you do get frustrated: fullfill your obligations and no more. Don't try to fix a situation that they have gotten themseves into. "Let Delta be Delta" is a great thing to say to yourself whenever you see something special ed going on.
They really do have the best intentions 99% of the time... just sometimes things get jacked up. It's an airline!
I will say that I wish SC gave at a minimum a RAW score credit.
02-21-2010, 11:39 AM
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+1
Good advice. I agree that reserve life here is not bad but also I'm living in base so its different for now. And we're not understaffed. I had friends hired on when the 88 was gslip city and they look at me like I'm nuts for bidding down to reserve. Its just different experience.
I will say that I wish SC gave at a minimum a RAW score credit.
Good advice. I agree that reserve life here is not bad but also I'm living in base so its different for now. And we're not understaffed. I had friends hired on when the 88 was gslip city and they look at me like I'm nuts for bidding down to reserve. Its just different experience.
I will say that I wish SC gave at a minimum a RAW score credit.
Oh, also.... I've never sat it, but 24 short call is REDICULOUS. There is no way that should be legal per the contract. I don't agree with it from a logistical perspective or from a safety perspective.
As far as living in base vs. commuting on reserve: We've just inherited a lot more commuters and the fact is that commuting to reserve blows no matter what is in your contract unless its 100 hours pay and positive space to and from work.
I commuted to reserve my first 6 months here- and it was tolerable. The 88 I hung out in my crashpad in NYC and walked down the street to the airport when called.
We were especially short on the 767 when I changed over to that, and I could typically yellow to a nice commuteable trip. For 3 months I only got one hotel room! It's all about learning how to use the system and learn the nuances.
02-21-2010, 11:57 AM
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Ok guys,
Just looking for some clarification. I want to make sure I'm interpreting this correctly.
Section 12 G. Break in Duty
4)When a domestic category pilot (or an international category pilot flying in domestic operations) is at his base, a period of at least nine hours (release to report) is required to constitute a break-in-duty.
So, I start SC and receive a turn. I finish the turn, check my schedule and see nothing on it. The time is 2000Z. I am now on rest for 9 hours, and LC will start at 0500Z, correct?
And to go further, the earliest I can be assigned another pattern on LC would be 1700Z? (Assuming I wasn't assigned another pattern at release that would terminate inside my max allowable duty)
Or, is the 9hrs rest + 3 hrs to commute = 12 hours LC? Does LC start right after I'm released??
Thanks in advance
Just looking for some clarification. I want to make sure I'm interpreting this correctly.
Section 12 G. Break in Duty
4)When a domestic category pilot (or an international category pilot flying in domestic operations) is at his base, a period of at least nine hours (release to report) is required to constitute a break-in-duty.
So, I start SC and receive a turn. I finish the turn, check my schedule and see nothing on it. The time is 2000Z. I am now on rest for 9 hours, and LC will start at 0500Z, correct?
And to go further, the earliest I can be assigned another pattern on LC would be 1700Z? (Assuming I wasn't assigned another pattern at release that would terminate inside my max allowable duty)
Or, is the 9hrs rest + 3 hrs to commute = 12 hours LC? Does LC start right after I'm released??
Thanks in advance
IMO the answers so far have not been completely accurate. I will try to explain simply, if that is possible.
First things first, Long Call is "NOT" rest! You are always in one of three categories, rest (free from company obligation), duty (this starts at trip report time), or company obligation (this includes on call time, training, or any other company obligation). This time is not considered part of your duty day however it must be counted as lack of rest for the look back Whitlow rule.
When a RES pilot finishes a trip you are released to Long Call not rest. Your are not required to have a rest period after a trip only prior to starting one. The only exception is if your last rest period was a reduced rest. In this case scheduling will give you comp rest and it will be assigned to you when you check your schedule prior to leaving the airport.
As far as a break in duty, it only occurs once you have been assigned something other than Long Call. i.e. a trip or a Short Call. Per the contract you receive a 10 hour free of duty after the first attempt to notify of a short call and you have 12 hours prior to a long call assignment. This is your break in duty. Note that this is after first attempted contact not actual contact. You have an obligation to acknowledge prior to three hours before your assignment.
Clear as mud.
02-21-2010, 12:06 PM
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IMO the answers so far have not been completely accurate. I will try to explain simply, if that is possible.
First things first, Long Call is "NOT" rest! You are always in one of three categories, rest (free from company obligation), duty (this starts at trip report time), or company obligation (this includes on call time, training, or any other company obligation). This time is not considered part of your duty day however it must be counted as lack of rest for the look back Whitlow rule.
When a RES pilot finishes a trip you are released to Long Call not rest. Your are not required to have a rest period after a trip only prior to starting one. The only exception is if your last rest period was a reduced rest. In this case scheduling will give you comp rest and it will be assigned to you when you check your schedule prior to leaving the airport.
As far as a break in duty, it only occurs once you have been assigned something other than Long Call. i.e. a trip or a Short Call. Per the contract you receive a 10 hour free of duty after the first attempt to notify of a short call and you have 12 hours prior to a long call assignment. This is your break in duty. Note that this is after first attempted contact not actual contact. You have an obligation to acknowledge prior to three hours before your assignment.
Clear as mud.
First things first, Long Call is "NOT" rest! You are always in one of three categories, rest (free from company obligation), duty (this starts at trip report time), or company obligation (this includes on call time, training, or any other company obligation). This time is not considered part of your duty day however it must be counted as lack of rest for the look back Whitlow rule.
When a RES pilot finishes a trip you are released to Long Call not rest. Your are not required to have a rest period after a trip only prior to starting one. The only exception is if your last rest period was a reduced rest. In this case scheduling will give you comp rest and it will be assigned to you when you check your schedule prior to leaving the airport.
As far as a break in duty, it only occurs once you have been assigned something other than Long Call. i.e. a trip or a Short Call. Per the contract you receive a 10 hour free of duty after the first attempt to notify of a short call and you have 12 hours prior to a long call assignment. This is your break in duty. Note that this is after first attempted contact not actual contact. You have an obligation to acknowledge prior to three hours before your assignment.
Clear as mud.
02-21-2010, 01:21 PM
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80KnotsClamp,
Are people from PMDL really calling us NWA guys NERDS? I heard this one, and thought there was no truth behind something like that. Kinda funny, but a little offensive if you fly with the wrong guy.
Are people from PMDL really calling us NWA guys NERDS? I heard this one, and thought there was no truth behind something like that. Kinda funny, but a little offensive if you fly with the wrong guy.
02-21-2010, 01:26 PM
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I actually had a PMNW CA refer to himself with pride as a NERD. Thought it was a little counterproductive. The merger is over, the SLI is done and now we need to focus on world domination!
02-21-2010, 01:31 PM
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First we have to "Fight, for our right to Party!" And now we also have to fight for DCI? I am too tired for all this fighting. 
Name the Group with a song referenced above for bonus points!
Scoop - Starting to think that managements goal is a 10,000 pilot airline with all these new RJs segments at MEM.
Name the Group with a song referenced above for bonus points!
Scoop - Starting to think that managements goal is a 10,000 pilot airline with all these new RJs segments at MEM.
02-21-2010, 01:53 PM
seeing the large hubs...
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From what I see, the DAL-S guys don't talk much about DAL-N people, other than to ask me, "what do the Northwest guys think of the merger". (because I commute on former NWA airplanes).
02-21-2010, 01:56 PM
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First we have to "Fight, for our right to Party!" And now we also have to fight for DCI? I am too tired for all this fighting.
Name the Group with a song referenced above for bonus points!
Scoop - Starting to think that managements goal is a 10,000 pilot airline with all these new RJs segments at MEM.
Name the Group with a song referenced above for bonus points!
Scoop - Starting to think that managements goal is a 10,000 pilot airline with all these new RJs segments at MEM.
as to the song... Beastie Boys?
02-21-2010, 02:11 PM
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I'm pretty sure a lot of these routes were previously done by Northwest Airlink carriers prior to the merger. Delta dropped these routes after the merger and are now bringing them back. The route I am sure of is MEM-EVV.
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