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Old 02-17-2010, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Well I wouldn't call it "lots" but there are some. I don't wanna open this can of worms even though I did fire the first shot... Point is, and I know some of you guys won't believe or admit this, but there are some out there that still like the job.
Well, the last thing I ever want to do is agree with TSquare, BUT....

A buddy of mine's dad was a DAL guy and he took the early retirement.

He was on the 777, doing just a couple of trips a month. After he retired, he told me he liked it so much he'd go back and do the job for free. In the end, it was the fear of losing the pension that made him take the early out.

There a definately those types out there. Maybe if we started chapters of OFAPA, we could get them to see that there is life after the airlines, and 12 short steps could get them to recovery.

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Old 02-17-2010, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
It's not that you want only one day off (because that is allowed) but it sounds like you are trying to create a new "Day off block" in the March bid period. You could move a whole block of days from another part of your schedule (say you have Mar 5-6 off) - you can move Mar 5-6 to Mar 2-3. That would work (depending on your max days on for your aircraft).

Or, if you had a single day off elsewhere in Mar (which would be a day off block) you could move that to Mar 2.

But, trying to move 1 day from a group to Mar 2 would make a new block of days off, which isn't allowed.

The scheduling ALPA committee puts out "Moving X Days" which describes all that goes on.
Thanks for your help. Yours too ACL. I wasn't looking at it as an extra block of days off originally, but March 1 doesn't count due to previous bid period. I understand it now. It still sucks though.
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Old 02-17-2010, 08:10 PM
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Just a little more perspective on early retirement. I took the PIRP package and said goodbye back in September. Before I left, I talked with as many retirees from Delta as I could. A lot of them had left just before BK and were on the young side to retire.

Without exception, every pilot I spoke with said that he didn't miss the flying one bit (and these were guys that loved the job). As a matter of fact, most said that they had wished they had left sooner. Their health, demeanor and general mental outlook was all much better a few months after they hung it up. It is amazing how much this job takes it out of you. I guess you get used to feeling tired and beat up all the time.

The first few months, you seem to check your portfolio a bit more than normal, but soon you loosen up a bit when it becomes apparent that you will be okay on the money side of things.

As for me, I couldn't be happier sitting on the sidelines. When a line of storms rolls through NYC, its nice to not have to worry about it at all. Let it rain.

My advice to anyone on the fence is to go as soon as you have the money. You won't look back, I promise.

Flying for Delta was a lot of fun and the guys there were all great. Life after flying the line is a lot more fun though.

Thanks for sharing! I know a guy that lives near me that took the early out also and he said with the way things stood had he stayed he'd basically be breaking even and there wasnt any chance he'd work for free so he bailed. He seems to be enjoying himself alot now! Again congrats on retirement
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Thanks for your help. Yours too ACL. I wasn't looking at it as an extra block of days off originally, but March 1 doesn't count due to previous bid period. I understand it now. It still sucks though.
Yep, those pesky mas blocks of days normally nail ppl. It is there in an attempt to make sure there are no reserve pilots that put on three off one, on two off two, etc. In effect it makes the reserve pilot more useful.

Bitten me more than a few times.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Thanks for sharing! I know a guy that lives near me that took the early out also and he said with the way things stood had he stayed he'd basically be breaking even and there wasnt any chance he'd work for free so he bailed. He seems to be enjoying himself alot now! Again congrats on retirement
My father took an early retirement from his profession. We all figured he would be back consulting with a team of industry leaders in six months. Nope, a year and a half later, he likes the schedule he has created.

1) Out of bed before noon

2) Shower before dark.

3) Read the paper sometime during the day before it is used in the fire.


It is amazing how some love the slower pace and others cannot deal with it.
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
It's not that you want only one day off (because that is allowed) but it sounds like you are trying to create a new "Day off block" in the March bid period. You could move a whole block of days from another part of your schedule (say you have Mar 5-6 off) - you can move Mar 5-6 to Mar 2-3. That would work (depending on your max days on for your aircraft).

Or, if you had a single day off elsewhere in Mar (which would be a day off block) you could move that to Mar 2.

But, trying to move 1 day from a group to Mar 2 would make a new block of days off, which isn't allowed.

The scheduling ALPA committee puts out "Moving X Days" which describes all that goes on.
I haven't been on reserve for a while, but I do remember wanting to punch my fist through the screen everytime I heard the little "rrrrringggg" that announced my attempt was foiled again. Sometimes you couldn't shift a block of four days off one day earlier, but it would let you take the last day, and move it just before the first day. Sometimes, the reverse was true. Sometimes you wanted to, say, move your first two blocks of days off a little earlier in the month. You would try to ask for both blocks to be moved simultaneously, but "rrrrrinngggg", you couldn't. So you had to move the second block of days off first, so as not to have seven days on in a row, and THEN you could move the first block back.

Here is my suggestion: think in steps. I think the program is poorly designed, and as a result it often prevents you from making a perfectly legal schedule. But if you list four or five choices that get you close, then you can move things around for the next PCS run. I had great luck with the system, but only when I thought in steps. It's pretty easy. All you have to do is live on the computer, trying for four or five hours to force choices into the computer that it could recognize, then bite your nails through the PCS run. You'd get your fourth choice, and a single day would move. And you'd plot your strategy again.

Rinse, lather, repeat.

By the 29th of the preceding month, I usually had my perfect schedule. I had, of course, become a sunlight-averse, vitamin defficient wreck. My skin was pale, my gums bled, and I trembled violently as I tried in vain to drag my myself up the stairs for a shower and a meal. But, hey, I lost 75 pounds that way once! True, there was a little marital tension, but my sixth wife finally installed a computer in the basement, near the furnace, and she would kindly send the pool-boy to uncuff me and give me leftovers once in a while.

Oh, I miss reserve so!
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:11 AM
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Anyone been to Tonopah know what the ground terrain is like, ie sand, rocky dirt, or what? It's for a fellow modeler's diorama.
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:49 AM
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Anyone been to Tonopah know what the ground terrain is like, ie sand, rocky dirt, or what? It's for a fellow modeler's diorama.
I've done a lot of modeling. I have my recent underwear photo shoot if you want to see it. I can post pictures. But not sure what a diorama is or Tonopah.



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Old 02-18-2010, 06:05 AM
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For the record, taking mil leave over a holiday is not abuse. If Uncle Sugar needs you, he needs you. The calendar day is irrelevant.
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Old 02-18-2010, 06:16 AM
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I've done a lot of modeling. I have my recent underwear photo shoot if you want to see it. I can post pictures. But not sure what a diorama is or Tonopah.



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