Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-17-2010, 04:55 PM
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Yeah, that's what I've been doing. I do have the seniority but sometimes it doesn't work.
I'm just not happy with how it works out. I just do not like dropping MLOA on a trip becasue I lose those hours and they could have gone to a junior pilot to build a line.
I'm just not happy with how it works out. I just do not like dropping MLOA on a trip becasue I lose those hours and they could have gone to a junior pilot to build a line.
02-17-2010, 04:58 PM
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Yeah, that's what I've been doing. I do have the seniority but sometimes it doesn't work.
I'm just not happy with how it works out. I just do not like having to drop MLOA on a trip becasue I end up losing those hours and that's a trip that could have been given to a junior pilot to build a line.
I'm just not happy with how it works out. I just do not like having to drop MLOA on a trip becasue I end up losing those hours and that's a trip that could have been given to a junior pilot to build a line.
I would call the guys at navtech or our PBS guys to see what they say. I have always assumed that if you submit MLOA prior to the PBS run (cutoff) it will be credited on your line.
I will do some checking. I would post something on the sked section or call our Sked Chair.
02-17-2010, 05:03 PM
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When you say credited, what exactly do you mean?
Maybe I'm still not making myself clear.
This month, I put in 4 days of MLOA before the schedules were built.
PBS pre-awarded me with 10:40 of flying time (the days I took leave).
For example, say that bid window was 72:00 to 77:00 hours. The maximum line I would get from DAL is (77:00 - 10:40) --- 66:20.
Had I not put in for MLOA or had DAL / PBS not pre-awarded me time, then I would have a line between 72:00 and 77:00 hours.
Am I doing this right or am I goofing this up? This is why I decided to air my dirty laundry here (scambo1) because I know there are some smart people here who can make sense of this.
Maybe I'm still not making myself clear.
This month, I put in 4 days of MLOA before the schedules were built.
PBS pre-awarded me with 10:40 of flying time (the days I took leave).
For example, say that bid window was 72:00 to 77:00 hours. The maximum line I would get from DAL is (77:00 - 10:40) --- 66:20.
Had I not put in for MLOA or had DAL / PBS not pre-awarded me time, then I would have a line between 72:00 and 77:00 hours.
Am I doing this right or am I goofing this up? This is why I decided to air my dirty laundry here (scambo1) because I know there are some smart people here who can make sense of this.
02-17-2010, 05:09 PM
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I say let em. but those guy that only want to fly a few trips a month need to be able to put that request in prior to the PBS run. I know we have talked about this before, so I will save the dialogue.
With my last decade here being in the top 2-3%, I may opt to do that, but on the other hand, I may not. I will have been to those places and more than likely I will want to sit my duff on my ranch with my wife, kids, their wives, and grand kids. After 45 years in the cockpit, I am betting I will be tired.
Who knows. I do not blame guys for stay, it is the right.
With my last decade here being in the top 2-3%, I may opt to do that, but on the other hand, I may not. I will have been to those places and more than likely I will want to sit my duff on my ranch with my wife, kids, their wives, and grand kids. After 45 years in the cockpit, I am betting I will be tired.
Who knows. I do not blame guys for stay, it is the right.
02-17-2010, 05:34 PM
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02-17-2010, 05:37 PM
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Well I wouldn't call it "lots" but there are some. I don't wanna open this can of worms even though I did fire the first shot... Point is, and I know some of you guys won't believe or admit this, but there are some out there that still like the job. And since we aren't handcuffed to a pension anymore as you put it.. we don't HAVE to do anything. The best thing we have going for us is the fact that we don't have to maintain a minimum hour/month schedule. I would fight a change to THAT with my last breath (metaphorically speaking of course) I mean.. why not fly to FRA once a month for a good beer? Or for those that like it... Paris for some rude waiters and overrated wine? If that's what some guys wanna do.. more power to 'em. Now who was it that was talking about a sailboat? I need a partner (for a boat). 
02-17-2010, 05:45 PM
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When you say credited, what exactly do you mean?
Maybe I'm still not making myself clear.
This month, I put in 4 days of MLOA before the schedules were built.
PBS pre-awarded me with 10:40 of flying time (the days I took leave).
For example, say that bid window was 72:00 to 77:00 hours. The maximum line I would get from DAL is (77:00 - 10:40) --- 66:20.
Had I not put in for MLOA or had DAL / PBS not pre-awarded me time, then I would have a line between 72:00 and 77:00 hours.
Am I doing this right or am I goofing this up? This is why I decided to air my dirty laundry here (scambo1) because I know there are some smart people here who can make sense of this.
Maybe I'm still not making myself clear.
This month, I put in 4 days of MLOA before the schedules were built.
PBS pre-awarded me with 10:40 of flying time (the days I took leave).
For example, say that bid window was 72:00 to 77:00 hours. The maximum line I would get from DAL is (77:00 - 10:40) --- 66:20.
Had I not put in for MLOA or had DAL / PBS not pre-awarded me time, then I would have a line between 72:00 and 77:00 hours.
Am I doing this right or am I goofing this up? This is why I decided to air my dirty laundry here (scambo1) because I know there are some smart people here who can make sense of this.
Without having the MLOA submitted you would have had the computer look at the entire month.
02-17-2010, 05:53 PM
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When you say credited, what exactly do you mean?
Maybe I'm still not making myself clear.
This month, I put in 4 days of MLOA before the schedules were built.
PBS pre-awarded me with 10:40 of flying time (the days I took leave).
For example, say that bid window was 72:00 to 77:00 hours. The maximum line I would get from DAL is (77:00 - 10:40) --- 66:20.
Had I not put in for MLOA or had DAL / PBS not pre-awarded me time, then I would have a line between 72:00 and 77:00 hours.
Am I doing this right or am I goofing this up? This is why I decided to air my dirty laundry here (scambo1) because I know there are some smart people here who can make sense of this.
Maybe I'm still not making myself clear.
This month, I put in 4 days of MLOA before the schedules were built.
PBS pre-awarded me with 10:40 of flying time (the days I took leave).
For example, say that bid window was 72:00 to 77:00 hours. The maximum line I would get from DAL is (77:00 - 10:40) --- 66:20.
Had I not put in for MLOA or had DAL / PBS not pre-awarded me time, then I would have a line between 72:00 and 77:00 hours.
Am I doing this right or am I goofing this up? This is why I decided to air my dirty laundry here (scambo1) because I know there are some smart people here who can make sense of this.
What did I get? A REG line right in the middle WITH NO TRIPS. Basically, I got nothing. I put in a white slip and only got 6.26 hrs for the month. I figured that they'd show credit for my MLOA then award reserve for the days in the middle since they wouldn't be able to build me a line. Instead I get a little over 6 hours of pay for the month. Does this sound right?
Ranger
02-17-2010, 06:12 PM
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It sounds like MLOA that is presubmited works kind of like vacation only you you don't get any actual pay for it. The company uses some predetermined value for each MLOA day and "credits" that towards your month.
ranger3484, its sounds like those MLOA's put you in the regular line ALV of +/- 7.5 hours and it awarded you a regular line with no trips because the "value" of your MLOA put you in the regular line window.
Denny
ranger3484, its sounds like those MLOA's put you in the regular line ALV of +/- 7.5 hours and it awarded you a regular line with no trips because the "value" of your MLOA put you in the regular line window.
Denny
02-17-2010, 06:13 PM
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Just a little more perspective on early retirement. I took the PIRP package and said goodbye back in September. Before I left, I talked with as many retirees from Delta as I could. A lot of them had left just before BK and were on the young side to retire.
Without exception, every pilot I spoke with said that he didn't miss the flying one bit (and these were guys that loved the job). As a matter of fact, most said that they had wished they had left sooner. Their health, demeanor and general mental outlook was all much better a few months after they hung it up. It is amazing how much this job takes it out of you. I guess you get used to feeling tired and beat up all the time.
The first few months, you seem to check your portfolio a bit more than normal, but soon you loosen up a bit when it becomes apparent that you will be okay on the money side of things.
As for me, I couldn't be happier sitting on the sidelines. When a line of storms rolls through NYC, its nice to not have to worry about it at all. Let it rain.
My advice to anyone on the fence is to go as soon as you have the money. You won't look back, I promise.
Flying for Delta was a lot of fun and the guys there were all great. Life after flying the line is a lot more fun though.
Without exception, every pilot I spoke with said that he didn't miss the flying one bit (and these were guys that loved the job). As a matter of fact, most said that they had wished they had left sooner. Their health, demeanor and general mental outlook was all much better a few months after they hung it up. It is amazing how much this job takes it out of you. I guess you get used to feeling tired and beat up all the time.
The first few months, you seem to check your portfolio a bit more than normal, but soon you loosen up a bit when it becomes apparent that you will be okay on the money side of things.
As for me, I couldn't be happier sitting on the sidelines. When a line of storms rolls through NYC, its nice to not have to worry about it at all. Let it rain.
My advice to anyone on the fence is to go as soon as you have the money. You won't look back, I promise.
Flying for Delta was a lot of fun and the guys there were all great. Life after flying the line is a lot more fun though.
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