Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-17-2010, 03:13 PM
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02-17-2010, 03:14 PM
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tsquare,
We still have lots of guys leaving at 60. Some are leaving before that. Also, for us younger guys without a pension I think it'll be easier financially for us to leave because we aren't handcuffed to a pension. I'd like the chance to leave @ 55, which is why I'm aggressively investing now. I've got 30+ years left until the current mandatory retirement age.
We still have lots of guys leaving at 60. Some are leaving before that. Also, for us younger guys without a pension I think it'll be easier financially for us to leave because we aren't handcuffed to a pension. I'd like the chance to leave @ 55, which is why I'm aggressively investing now. I've got 30+ years left until the current mandatory retirement age.
02-17-2010, 03:21 PM
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I'm watching the dramatic men's comeback against Switzerland... When I get bumped to MSP, can some of ya'll teach me to play this game? I'll teach you how to fetch dinner with your car (keeping roadkill is legal in tennessee) and cook it up on a spit.
02-17-2010, 03:59 PM
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I have a question for DAL pilots about Military Leave of Absence (MLOA) and how our company assigns a line holder schedule around MLOA using PBS. Where in the PWA does it address MLOA? I have performed word searches and I can not find it.
First things first. I am a reservist and I don't abuse the system. I "always" put in MLOA before the schedules are run for the following month Not a requirement and its not abuse if you wait. I do not use my MLOA rights to drop a bad trip or schedule So what. And I think those that do abuse MLOA are scumbags and make the rest of us look bad please define abuse, by your previous examples, there is no abuse and only cause a further divide between the military and civilian pilots. With that being said ... he's my beef. <br><rant>
As a line holder, I try to maximize my DAL schedule as best as I can without using the Maximum bid function of PBS. When I enter my MLOA the month before, PBS assigns time with those days. For example, I must take four days of MLOA next month. PBS pre-awarded me with 10:40 of time for those MLOA days. So, in essence, I get penalized by DAL for enterring my MLOA upfront and I lose 10:40 of time from line construction window.
Now, if I am able to be flexible with my MLOA, then I will not enter them beforehand. ABUSE Alert After I receive my schedule from DAL, I will then use the PCS function and request MLOA on the days I am not working Why bother, you already have the days off. Therefore, I lose no flying time from DAL and I still get to take my MLOA.
I was curious if any of you (civilian or military) agree with me that it is wrong that I get penalized by DAL for taking MLOA? Its a self-inflicted wound. Abuse is MLOA-ing holidays or dropping a single day in the middle of a 5 day break of reserve days, or taking mil leave when you aren't doing mil stuff, etc.
Perhaps this was due to a protection written into the contact so that military pilots wouldn't have to meet a full line of time if they took MLOA? In other words, they end up with no days off ... or PBS assigns back to back trips butted up against a MLOA?
Recently I saw in the news where CAL pilots were suing CAL over similar practices reguarding military pilots and flying time as it technically is a violation of the Soldiers and Sailors Act of whatever year. Mil leave is governed by USERRA not soldiers and sailors. Do your homework, collect your thoughts and post coherently. Please air your self righteous dirty laundry on airliners or call your scheduling chairman.
Any thoughts?
</rant>
First things first. I am a reservist and I don't abuse the system. I "always" put in MLOA before the schedules are run for the following month Not a requirement and its not abuse if you wait. I do not use my MLOA rights to drop a bad trip or schedule So what. And I think those that do abuse MLOA are scumbags and make the rest of us look bad please define abuse, by your previous examples, there is no abuse and only cause a further divide between the military and civilian pilots. With that being said ... he's my beef. <br><rant>
As a line holder, I try to maximize my DAL schedule as best as I can without using the Maximum bid function of PBS. When I enter my MLOA the month before, PBS assigns time with those days. For example, I must take four days of MLOA next month. PBS pre-awarded me with 10:40 of time for those MLOA days. So, in essence, I get penalized by DAL for enterring my MLOA upfront and I lose 10:40 of time from line construction window.
Now, if I am able to be flexible with my MLOA, then I will not enter them beforehand. ABUSE Alert After I receive my schedule from DAL, I will then use the PCS function and request MLOA on the days I am not working Why bother, you already have the days off. Therefore, I lose no flying time from DAL and I still get to take my MLOA.
I was curious if any of you (civilian or military) agree with me that it is wrong that I get penalized by DAL for taking MLOA? Its a self-inflicted wound. Abuse is MLOA-ing holidays or dropping a single day in the middle of a 5 day break of reserve days, or taking mil leave when you aren't doing mil stuff, etc.
Perhaps this was due to a protection written into the contact so that military pilots wouldn't have to meet a full line of time if they took MLOA? In other words, they end up with no days off ... or PBS assigns back to back trips butted up against a MLOA?
Recently I saw in the news where CAL pilots were suing CAL over similar practices reguarding military pilots and flying time as it technically is a violation of the Soldiers and Sailors Act of whatever year.
Mil leave is governed by USERRA not soldiers and sailors. Do your homework, collect your thoughts and post coherently. Please air your self righteous dirty laundry on airliners or call your scheduling chairman.Any thoughts?
</rant>
Response not intended as flamebait and I counted to 100 before hitting submit.
02-17-2010, 04:02 PM
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KC
I beleive it credits a min day credit for each MLOA day. It works out well for guys that are junior and submit their days earlier. By doing this it allows them to get hard line well before their seniority can hold.
MLOA is LAW and there is not one bloody thing anyone can do about it. My only advice is to make darn sure you are drilling when you submit orders. ( I know all the guys here do)
I beleive it credits a min day credit for each MLOA day. It works out well for guys that are junior and submit their days earlier. By doing this it allows them to get hard line well before their seniority can hold.
MLOA is LAW and there is not one bloody thing anyone can do about it. My only advice is to make darn sure you are drilling when you submit orders. ( I know all the guys here do)
02-17-2010, 04:06 PM
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Well I wouldn't call it "lots" but there are some. I don't wanna open this can of worms even though I did fire the first shot... Point is, and I know some of you guys won't believe or admit this, but there are some out there that still like the job. And since we aren't handcuffed to a pension anymore as you put it.. we don't HAVE to do anything. The best thing we have going for us is the fact that we don't have to maintain a minimum hour/month schedule. I would fight a change to THAT with my last breath (metaphorically speaking of course) I mean.. why not fly to FRA once a month for a good beer? Or for those that like it... Paris for some rude waiters and overrated wine? If that's what some guys wanna do.. more power to 'em. Now who was it that was talking about a sailboat? I need a partner (for a boat).
With my last decade here being in the top 2-3%, I may opt to do that, but on the other hand, I may not. I will have been to those places and more than likely I will want to sit my duff on my ranch with my wife, kids, their wives, and grand kids. After 45 years in the cockpit, I am betting I will be tired.
Who knows. I do not blame guys for stay, it is the right.
02-17-2010, 04:08 PM
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How do we move reserve days? I'm at the right page, but it won't take my input. It keeps saying "VIOLATES OFFDAY GROUPING REQUIREMENTS." I have two spots on my schedule where I have single days off due to unstacking. One day is the first of the month. This is bull. Now it won't let me try and swap.
I think I just figured it out. I have March 1 off by itself because it was the Feb bid period. I'm trying to get Mar 2 off so I have two days off in a row, but I think PCS only looks at March so it thinks I want a single day off. If I have this right, that kind of sucks.
I think I just figured it out. I have March 1 off by itself because it was the Feb bid period. I'm trying to get Mar 2 off so I have two days off in a row, but I think PCS only looks at March so it thinks I want a single day off. If I have this right, that kind of sucks.
What I am assuming is that by adding one day to the block (1 day) on your Feb off days, you have too many off day groupings in March. Just a guess.
02-17-2010, 04:35 PM
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How do we move reserve days? I'm at the right page, but it won't take my input. It keeps saying "VIOLATES OFFDAY GROUPING REQUIREMENTS." I have two spots on my schedule where I have single days off due to unstacking. One day is the first of the month. This is bull. Now it won't let me try and swap.
I think I just figured it out. I have March 1 off by itself because it was the Feb bid period. I'm trying to get Mar 2 off so I have two days off in a row, but I think PCS only looks at March so it thinks I want a single day off. If I have this right, that kind of sucks.
I think I just figured it out. I have March 1 off by itself because it was the Feb bid period. I'm trying to get Mar 2 off so I have two days off in a row, but I think PCS only looks at March so it thinks I want a single day off. If I have this right, that kind of sucks.
I'm new to reserve so I'm not the expert by any stretch, but this seems a little counter-intuitive.
02-17-2010, 04:36 PM
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Sorry for not posting in coherent form and not identifying ERSSA. I just dealt with a credit agency over the Soldier and Sailors Act and posted it instead. Regardless, it doesn't change the point of the thread.
Secondly, thanks for paying not attention addressing the main question. But perhaps, as you so eloquently suggested, could have been my fault.
Lastly, how could I have taken your response as anything but flamebait?
Now ... back to my point.
ACLpilot, I get your point about junior pilots. But it also punishes pilots too.
Is it legal for DAL to deduct flying time from your line if you put in for MLOA? Depending on the days you drop, you'll never end up with a full flying line.
That is my question.
02-17-2010, 04:52 PM
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Scumbo1:
Sorry for not posting in coherent form and not identifying ERSSA. I just dealt with a credit agency over the Soldier and Sailors Act and posted it instead. Regardless, it doesn't change the point of the thread.
Secondly, thanks for paying not attention addressing the main question. But perhaps, as you so eloquently suggested, could have been my fault.
Lastly, how could I have taken your response as anything but flamebait?
Now ... back to my point.
ACLpilot, I get your point about junior pilots. But it also punishes pilots too.
Is it legal for DAL to deduct flying time from your line if you put in for MLOA? Depending on the days you drop, you'll never end up with a full flying line.
That is my question.
Sorry for not posting in coherent form and not identifying ERSSA. I just dealt with a credit agency over the Soldier and Sailors Act and posted it instead. Regardless, it doesn't change the point of the thread.
Secondly, thanks for paying not attention addressing the main question. But perhaps, as you so eloquently suggested, could have been my fault.
Lastly, how could I have taken your response as anything but flamebait?
Now ... back to my point.
ACLpilot, I get your point about junior pilots. But it also punishes pilots too.
Is it legal for DAL to deduct flying time from your line if you put in for MLOA? Depending on the days you drop, you'll never end up with a full flying line.
That is my question.
That is a question for the PBS gurus. I would assume they will show it as credit. I guess the way around it is bid around the days if your seniority can hold those Drill weekends off and then submit it after you have your line.
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