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Old 02-14-2010, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
If I remember correctly that plan was to take all the slots at JFK, not just Delta's and auction them in order to reduce peak time congestion. You are correct that it was a government taking and thus wrong, but there is a HUGE difference between an auction to the highest bidder to a virtual gift to a favored constituency.
You don't remember correctly. It was an auction of US Air Carrier slots to the highest bidder at the very low point of US airline economics. Foreign airlines were exempt.

How about we keep this discussion non-denominational... There's enough dirt to go around on both parties, and I'd hate to see this thread locked because the misrepresentations of one side were corrected!
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
You don't remember correctly. It was an auction of US Air Carrier slots to the highest bidder at the very low point of US airline economics. Foreign airlines were exempt.

How about we keep this discussion non-denominational... There's enough dirt to go around on both parties, and I'd hate to see this thread locked because the misrepresentations of one side were corrected!
Good point. Let the ones who write open letters post the dirt, they cannot be locked my the Mods!
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
You don't remember correctly. It was an auction of US Air Carrier slots to the highest bidder at the very low point of US airline economics. Foreign airlines were exempt.

How about we keep this discussion non-denominational... There's enough dirt to go around on both parties, and I'd hate to see this thread locked because the misrepresentations of one side were corrected!
I agree. A pox on both their houses. There is however, a fundamental difference in governing philosophies at play here.

And thanks for reminding and correcting me.
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:01 AM
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Can we post Moaks letter?
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:10 AM
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Hey Sat, I do not know you precinct down where you live but there is a guy down in those parts running you may want to look at. He is a former CIA guy.

I will PM you his name so that I do not violate the TOS.
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:24 AM
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"Based on FAA slot holding data, incumbent carriers at DCA that would qualify under these limitations are AirTran and Spirit. At LGA, incumbent carriers that would qualify are AirTran, JetBlue, Southwest, and Spirit. In addition, of course, any U.S. or Canadian carrier not currently holding slot interests at the respective airports and otherwise meeting the criteria would be eligible under our proposal.
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In order to achieve our goal of affording consumers the opportunity to realize new competitive services at LGA and DCA, we propose to place a 60-day time limit on US Airways' and Delta's sales of the slot interests. Should the carriers not succeed in selling those slot interests within the 60-day time period, we propose to withdraw them from Delta and US Airways and hold them in abeyance while we consider options for their future use."
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I'm thinking if we were forced to divest slows to give them not only to Spirit but Allegiant. Just because that'd **** JB and SWA off. They gave us 3 options to sell them, I say we pick option 1 and go right to Spirit or another airline like Allgeiant and make a deal. My bet, the DOT would strike it down if it is not JB, AirTran or SWA.
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
You don't remember correctly. It was an auction of US Air Carrier slots to the highest bidder at the very low point of US airline economics. Foreign airlines were exempt.

How about we keep this discussion non-denominational... There's enough dirt to go around on both parties, and I'd hate to see this thread locked because the misrepresentations of one side were corrected!
Slow is right on this. And I am not a moderate center of the road guy. I drive happily on the right side and don't care if the left side wrecks. But Slow is right. You can say this is anti-Delta/UsAir because of a democrat administration and the likely supporters of this divestiture are major democrats but there are a lot of democrats who have thrown their support behind us as well. Also, the DOT is run by a republican, a rino, but a republican. If this is going to be reversed it'll take a bipartisan support and we can get that- we're so big we can go door to door on capitol hill and be all things to all people.

But we most certaintly have groups from both sides of the aisle for and against from what I can tell here:

Letters to DOT concerning the slot swap. Lots of Delta employees in there.


Where are the letters against it outside of the one here from Spirit? Or did I miss one, I went looking for one from SWA and JB and such. Maybe they had someone make a personal visit?

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Old 02-14-2010, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Can we post Moaks letter?
The letter doesnt need to be posted, it is visible on the front page of the Delta Pilots' site. I guess anybody can see it there.

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Old 02-14-2010, 06:54 AM
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FtB:

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Old 02-14-2010, 06:57 AM
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Darn my luck! I get a Milan trip that leaves the morning of the Champions League game between AC Milan and Man U! That makes 3 Manchester games I've been in town the morning of the game only to fly away!
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