Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-12-2010, 02:04 PM
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I think the first major airline that announces they'll no longer use subcontractors (regional carriers) to farm out feed under shady contracts ... and publicizes it in a huge fancy campaign blitz will be a big winner in this industry.
tag line ... "At XYZ Airlines, we don't believe in farming out your safety to the subcontractor with the lowest bid, who pays the cheapest wages, and hires the least qualified aircrew and mechanics. Instead, we've taken a new approach. We've decided to bring all of the flying back in house under our control, applying the same stringent rules and requirements for any XYZ flight. blah blah blah
I think it would cause the other majors to react accordingly.
Am I nuts?
tag line ... "At XYZ Airlines, we don't believe in farming out your safety to the subcontractor with the lowest bid, who pays the cheapest wages, and hires the least qualified aircrew and mechanics. Instead, we've taken a new approach. We've decided to bring all of the flying back in house under our control, applying the same stringent rules and requirements for any XYZ flight. blah blah blah
I think it would cause the other majors to react accordingly.
Am I nuts?
About 7 years ago Delta raised every fare across the board 10 dollars. Not one other airline matched. Delta decided to stick with the fare increase. They lasted 11 days. In that time they lost 200 million in revenue and bookings they never got back. People hate airlines and take it as a matter of pride that the beat the airline industry out of their last 10 bucks.
02-12-2010, 02:38 PM
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Hi Buzzpat,
I read some excerpts from your book, and truly enjoyed it. I confess, however, to the writer's cardinal sin of "browsing" thru it for almost 2 hours at the bookstore, and not buying it...thought I'd just check it out at the library. (Airline pilot to-the-core). What I wanted to comment on was your exemplary demeanor on praying for your old boss. In light of your experiences with Arkansas mafia, I find your position really refreshing, and admirable. Kudos on you. I hold no personal feelings for the guy one way or the other, and politically, I voted for Ross Perot in '92, if that tells ya' anything. I lived in AR for a few years, and Gov. Bill handed out diplomas at my H.S. graduation. Seems kinda' cool now. Hope his recovery goes well. In light of current events, he makes our current "guy" seem completely conservative by comparison, which is scary.
Chuck
I read some excerpts from your book, and truly enjoyed it. I confess, however, to the writer's cardinal sin of "browsing" thru it for almost 2 hours at the bookstore, and not buying it...thought I'd just check it out at the library. (Airline pilot to-the-core). What I wanted to comment on was your exemplary demeanor on praying for your old boss. In light of your experiences with Arkansas mafia, I find your position really refreshing, and admirable. Kudos on you. I hold no personal feelings for the guy one way or the other, and politically, I voted for Ross Perot in '92, if that tells ya' anything. I lived in AR for a few years, and Gov. Bill handed out diplomas at my H.S. graduation. Seems kinda' cool now. Hope his recovery goes well. In light of current events, he makes our current "guy" seem completely conservative by comparison, which is scary.
Chuck
Where'd you go to high school? Im a Jax High School grad. My dad was flying at Little Rock AFB.
Buzz
02-12-2010, 03:12 PM
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There are some things that might need a different approach than "siting at the table negotiating deals."
That hasn't worked out so hot...
When you listen to Roger Cohen of the RAA you'll hear him say "there can only be one regulator, because you couldn't have various carriers overseeing different standards, different rules"
Perhaps it's time as pilots we take a similarly systemic approach to the problem rather than piecemeal negotiations.
Of course they don't why would they.
Why is it that the ATA manages to be in bed with the FAA but as pilots we stand on the sidelines? Maybe its time to tackle some of these issues on a regulatory level. Perhaps it's our own pride and a false sense of professionalism that that holds us back.
FWIW I guess I know too little about the ALPA PAC to see much happening on that front... Or maybe they are working overtime but under the radar...
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George
02-12-2010, 03:13 PM
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02-12-2010, 04:06 PM
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02-12-2010, 04:16 PM
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02-12-2010, 04:41 PM
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Probably.
If you mean the bosox drunk pitcher from the mid 70s?
You've got 2 men on base and their best batter up to bat who do you call? Mayday Malone and his Slider of Death! And what happened? 3-run homer. It was his teammates who called it the slider of death.
If you mean the bosox drunk pitcher from the mid 70s?
You've got 2 men on base and their best batter up to bat who do you call? Mayday Malone and his Slider of Death! And what happened? 3-run homer. It was his teammates who called it the slider of death.
02-12-2010, 04:51 PM
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Sailing,
Why not start with the E-190 at Jet Blue rates? They max out at $143 which I believe is only $8 less than our DC-9 rates. If we can not do that profitably, and they can, we have a serious problem.
Scoop
To be honest I don't think we need to put much emphasis on reroute after the current LOA sent RR pay back to double pay from time and half. As I mentioned a airline has to have some ability to reroute or it will not function. I can't remember the last time I got a reroute that was a truly bad deal. They have almost always worked in my favor under the current rules. That is why I objected to the posting that Delta's RR rules suck. Read the RR section of the contract. Its a solid section that escaped the 1113 process mostly intact.
[b]When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect[b]...
Scope should be at the front of the list however I will tell you upfront that I don't believe we can operate the CR series at a cost structure that is sustainable. I believe we can operate the E-170/175 at the mainline and was hugely against that change when Tom Malone and his MEC allowed it to happen. The scope focus should be on bringing that flying back over time to the mainline. Trying to scope smaller aircraft would just kill your ability to feed the system by forcing us out of most markets that can only sustain a smaller aircraft.
[b]When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect[b]...
Scope should be at the front of the list however I will tell you upfront that I don't believe we can operate the CR series at a cost structure that is sustainable. I believe we can operate the E-170/175 at the mainline and was hugely against that change when Tom Malone and his MEC allowed it to happen. The scope focus should be on bringing that flying back over time to the mainline. Trying to scope smaller aircraft would just kill your ability to feed the system by forcing us out of most markets that can only sustain a smaller aircraft.
Sailing,
Why not start with the E-190 at Jet Blue rates? They max out at $143 which I believe is only $8 less than our DC-9 rates. If we can not do that profitably, and they can, we have a serious problem.
Scoop
02-12-2010, 05:04 PM
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Funny, JB pays $1.43/hour per seat and we would pay $1.07/hour per seat. ASA on their 70 seaters at year 12 is $1.24/hour per seat. We range from $1.50/hr/seat on the DC9-30 to $0.52/hr/seat on 744.
If you paid our 744 top end CAs $1.43/hr per seat you'd pay $576/hr. Sounds fair to me! Using ASA's scale you'd pay $499/hr. Hell if you paid them $1.07/hr per seat like we have already set forth for the E190 then you'd pay 744 A's $431/hr. Well above $208/hr we pay 744 and 777 As now.
I think we should negotiate by seat per hour now and just say we at a minimum want Jetblue rates, or we might settle for regional rates but no lower...
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02-12-2010, 05:32 PM
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