Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-12-2010, 11:31 AM
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To be honest I don't think we need to put much emphasis on reroute after the current LOA sent RR pay back to double pay from time and half. As I mentioned a airline has to have some ability to reroute or it will not function. I can't remember the last time I got a reroute that was a truly bad deal. They have almost always worked in my favor under the current rules. That is why I objected to the posting that Delta's RR rules suck. Read the RR section of the contract. Its a solid section that escaped the 1113 process mostly intact.
when contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect...
when contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect...
How about SCOPE, PAY, SCOPE, RETIREMENT, SCOPE, RESERVE, SCOPE, RECOVERY FLYING, SCOPE, ETC.....scope!
REMEMBER YOU CAN HAVE THE HIGHEST PAY RATES IN THE INDUSTRY BUT IF YOU DONT HAVE SCOPE AND YOUR FLYING CAN BE OUTSOURCED THEN THE REST OF THE CONTRACT IS POINTLESS!!! JUST ASK THE MIDWEST GUYS
02-12-2010, 11:32 AM
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To be honest I don't think we need to put much emphasis on reroute after the current LOA sent RR pay back to double pay from time and half. As I mentioned a airline has to have some ability to reroute or it will not function. I can't remember the last time I got a reroute that was a truly bad deal. They have almost always worked in my favor under the current rules. That is why I objected to the posting that Delta's RR rules suck. Read the RR section of the contract. Its a solid section that escaped the 1113 process mostly intact.
When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect...
When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect...
02-12-2010, 11:37 AM
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[quote=Superpilot92;762980][quote=sailingfun;762976]To be honest I don't think we need to put much emphasis on reroute after the current LOA sent RR pay back to double pay from time and half. As I mentioned a airline has to have some ability to reroute or it will not function. I can't remember the last time I got a reroute that was a truly bad deal. They have almost always worked in my favor under the current rules. That is why I objected to the posting that Delta's RR rules suck. Read the RR section of the contract. Its a solid section that escaped the 1113 process mostly intact.
[b]When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect[b]...
I guess SCOPE would fall under the "etc" part
How about SCOPE, PAY, SCOPE, RETIREMENT, SCOPE, RESERVE, SCOPE, RECOVERY FLYING, SCOPE, ETC.....scope!
REMEMBER YOU CAN HAVE THE HIGHEST PAY RATES IN THE INDUSTRY BUT IF YOU DONT HAVE SCOPE AND YOUR FLYING CAN BE OUTSOURCED THEN THE REST OF THE CONTRACT IS POINTLESS!!! JUST ASK THE MIDWEST GUYS
Scope should be at the front of the list however I will tell you upfront that I don't believe we can operate the CR series at a cost structure that is sustainable. I believe we can operate the E-170/175 at the mainline and was hugely against that change when Tom Malone and his MEC allowed it to happen. The scope focus should be on bringing that flying back over time to the mainline. Trying to scope smaller aircraft would just kill your ability to feed the system by forcing us out of most markets that can only sustain a smaller aircraft.
[b]When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect[b]...
I guess SCOPE would fall under the "etc" part
How about SCOPE, PAY, SCOPE, RETIREMENT, SCOPE, RESERVE, SCOPE, RECOVERY FLYING, SCOPE, ETC.....scope!
REMEMBER YOU CAN HAVE THE HIGHEST PAY RATES IN THE INDUSTRY BUT IF YOU DONT HAVE SCOPE AND YOUR FLYING CAN BE OUTSOURCED THEN THE REST OF THE CONTRACT IS POINTLESS!!! JUST ASK THE MIDWEST GUYS
02-12-2010, 11:39 AM
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We at compass just got an e-mail regarding the basing options should the LGA deal still go through. I would imagine compass wouldnt send out this e-mail unless delta told them its still probable.
Just another indication this is far from over. I think the DOT over reached in hopes they could negotiate a few of the slots away.
Just another indication this is far from over. I think the DOT over reached in hopes they could negotiate a few of the slots away.
02-12-2010, 11:44 AM
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[QUOTE=sailingfun;762983][quote=Superpilot92;762980]
I hate to admit it but I agree. Cost tell us this.
The CS-100 will have a seat cost minus crew costs of a CRJ-900 configured with 76 seat. The CS-300 will be a lot better if it performs to spec. That does not mean it should not be here. It just means we need to see it for what it is. The duty rig change will reshuffle that deck.
The 190-195 can be operated here. So can their 195X. I agree that we need to take it back over time. No more scope sale period.
The rest is very important to everyone. We have a lot of work to do.
To be honest I don't think we need to put much emphasis on reroute after the current LOA sent RR pay back to double pay from time and half. As I mentioned a airline has to have some ability to reroute or it will not function. I can't remember the last time I got a reroute that was a truly bad deal. They have almost always worked in my favor under the current rules. That is why I objected to the posting that Delta's RR rules suck. Read the RR section of the contract. Its a solid section that escaped the 1113 process mostly intact.
[b]When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect[b]...
Scope should be at the front of the list however I will tell you upfront that I don't believe we can operate the CR series at a cost structure that is sustainable. I believe we can operate the E-170/175 at the mainline and was hugely against that change when Tom Malone and his MEC allowed it to happen. The scope focus should be on bringing that flying back over time to the mainline. Trying to scope smaller aircraft would just kill your ability to feed the system by forcing us out of most markets that can only sustain a smaller aircraft.
[b]When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect[b]...
Scope should be at the front of the list however I will tell you upfront that I don't believe we can operate the CR series at a cost structure that is sustainable. I believe we can operate the E-170/175 at the mainline and was hugely against that change when Tom Malone and his MEC allowed it to happen. The scope focus should be on bringing that flying back over time to the mainline. Trying to scope smaller aircraft would just kill your ability to feed the system by forcing us out of most markets that can only sustain a smaller aircraft.
The CS-100 will have a seat cost minus crew costs of a CRJ-900 configured with 76 seat. The CS-300 will be a lot better if it performs to spec. That does not mean it should not be here. It just means we need to see it for what it is. The duty rig change will reshuffle that deck.
The 190-195 can be operated here. So can their 195X. I agree that we need to take it back over time. No more scope sale period.
The rest is very important to everyone. We have a lot of work to do.
02-12-2010, 11:44 AM
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You're number is low if you include all the DC-9 and 747-200 series airframes. While this number changes regularly, there are 4 767ER, 16 757-200, and 7 767-300 domestic stored that could be considered economically viable with good oil prices and consumer demand. Many of those airframes are 20-25 years old, however, so they are relative maintenance hogs with have older engines and electronics.
The above numbers are what I heard is in storage also. It totals 27 aircraft. I don't know where the 65 number posted is coming from. It could be confusion because we also have several fleets especially the 757 fleet that is underutilized. If they moved the utilization back up to more normal numbers they can pick up what amounts to 35 extra airframes. Add that to the parked aircraft and perhaps the 65 number makes sense.
02-12-2010, 11:46 AM
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Scope should be at the front of the list however I will tell you upfront that I don't believe we can operate the CR series at a cost structure that is sustainable. I believe we can operate the E-170/175 at the mainline and was hugely against that change when Tom Malone and his MEC allowed it to happen. The scope focus should be on bringing that flying back over time to the mainline. Trying to scope smaller aircraft would just kill your ability to feed the system by forcing us out of most markets that can only sustain a smaller aircraft.
02-12-2010, 12:05 PM
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The above numbers are what I heard is in storage also. It totals 27 aircraft. I don't know where the 65 number posted is coming from. It could be confusion because we also have several fleets especially the 757 fleet that is underutilized. If they moved the utilization back up to more normal numbers they can pick up what amounts to 35 extra airframes. Add that to the parked aircraft and perhaps the 65 number makes sense.
They have been rotating them out of Pineal and VCV and a fairly routing basis.
02-12-2010, 12:06 PM
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Hey there are quite a few CRJ50 sitting in Pineal too.
02-12-2010, 12:09 PM
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To be honest I don't think we need to put much emphasis on reroute after the current LOA sent RR pay back to double pay from time and half. As I mentioned a airline has to have some ability to reroute or it will not function. I can't remember the last time I got a reroute that was a truly bad deal. They have almost always worked in my favor under the current rules. That is why I objected to the posting that Delta's RR rules suck. Read the RR section of the contract. Its a solid section that escaped the 1113 process mostly intact.
When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect...
When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect...
My next Q is why no one has talked about that LOA on the board??? ( I have been on a real AND an APC vacation, so I might have missed that discussion in the 100+ pages I decided to skip when I returned to the regular world.)
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