Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-12-2010, 09:40 AM
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In a few years, when we really NEED the 100 seat replacement, and things are chugging along just well enough, management will spring this on us..."we NEED 100 seat lift! We have to do it NOW NOW NOW! All the order books are FULL and XYZ Express has 100 on order already!".
In exchange, we'll be given some worthless trinket that doesn't even benefit %80 of the pilot group, like keeping laundry expenses or aisle seats on DH.
This is the exact tact that the ATA/RAA will implement "ab initio training" in a couple of years. Manufacture a "crisis". Plant the seeds in the ATP rule by exempting graduates of "approved programs", and in a couple of years, when people no longer want anything to do with this business, simply say there is a "crisis", and then you have 200 hour self funded wonder heros.
I really don't understand our negotiating tact. When the company is in trouble, we give concessions to bail them out. When the company is doing well, and needs more bodies, we give MORE concessions to bail them out.
When does it start going the other way?
Nu
02-12-2010, 09:45 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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On another note, here's a review of Delta's international Business Elite class that is quite complimentary. Puts our service in a new light.
Delta Air Lines Business Elite Class review page 1
Delta Air Lines Business Elite Class review page 1
02-12-2010, 09:52 AM
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I sent my second passport with the Russian Visa in to CBIT to be renewed. Should I tell scheduling or just wait till they try to assign me a SVO trip?
02-12-2010, 10:14 AM
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02-12-2010, 10:24 AM
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02-12-2010, 10:25 AM
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02-12-2010, 10:26 AM
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Ahhh, this must be the much ballyhooed "100 seat plan"....
In a few years, when we really NEED the 100 seat replacement, and things are chugging along just well enough, management will spring this on us..."we NEED 100 seat lift! We have to do it NOW NOW NOW! All the order books are FULL and XYZ Express has 100 on order already!".
In exchange, we'll be given some worthless trinket that doesn't even benefit %80 of the pilot group, like keeping laundry expenses or aisle seats on DH.
This is the exact tact that the ATA/RAA will implement "ab initio training" in a couple of years. Manufacture a "crisis". Plant the seeds in the ATP rule by exempting graduates of "approved programs", and in a couple of years, when people no longer want anything to do with this business, simply say there is a "crisis", and then you have 200 hour self funded wonder heros.
I really don't understand our negotiating tact. When the company is in trouble, we give concessions to bail them out. When the company is doing well, and needs more bodies, we give MORE concessions to bail them out.
When does it start going the other way?
Nu
In a few years, when we really NEED the 100 seat replacement, and things are chugging along just well enough, management will spring this on us..."we NEED 100 seat lift! We have to do it NOW NOW NOW! All the order books are FULL and XYZ Express has 100 on order already!".
In exchange, we'll be given some worthless trinket that doesn't even benefit %80 of the pilot group, like keeping laundry expenses or aisle seats on DH.
This is the exact tact that the ATA/RAA will implement "ab initio training" in a couple of years. Manufacture a "crisis". Plant the seeds in the ATP rule by exempting graduates of "approved programs", and in a couple of years, when people no longer want anything to do with this business, simply say there is a "crisis", and then you have 200 hour self funded wonder heros.
I really don't understand our negotiating tact. When the company is in trouble, we give concessions to bail them out. When the company is doing well, and needs more bodies, we give MORE concessions to bail them out.
When does it start going the other way?
Nu
Like I have said in the other thread.
We now know the score. We do it, we have no one to blame but ourselves'
02-12-2010, 10:48 AM
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Ahhh, this must be the much ballyhooed "100 seat plan"....
In a few years, when we really NEED the 100 seat replacement, and things are chugging along just well enough, management will spring this on us..."we NEED 100 seat lift! We have to do it NOW NOW NOW! All the order books are FULL and XYZ Express has 100 on order already!".
In exchange, we'll be given some worthless trinket that doesn't even benefit %80 of the pilot group, like keeping laundry expenses or aisle seats on DH.
This is the exact tact that the ATA/RAA will implement "ab initio training" in a couple of years. Manufacture a "crisis". Plant the seeds in the ATP rule by exempting graduates of "approved programs", and in a couple of years, when people no longer want anything to do with this business, simply say there is a "crisis", and then you have 200 hour self funded wonder heros.
I really don't understand our negotiating tact. When the company is in trouble, we give concessions to bail them out. When the company is doing well, and needs more bodies, we give MORE concessions to bail them out.
When does it start going the other way?
Nu
In a few years, when we really NEED the 100 seat replacement, and things are chugging along just well enough, management will spring this on us..."we NEED 100 seat lift! We have to do it NOW NOW NOW! All the order books are FULL and XYZ Express has 100 on order already!".
In exchange, we'll be given some worthless trinket that doesn't even benefit %80 of the pilot group, like keeping laundry expenses or aisle seats on DH.
This is the exact tact that the ATA/RAA will implement "ab initio training" in a couple of years. Manufacture a "crisis". Plant the seeds in the ATP rule by exempting graduates of "approved programs", and in a couple of years, when people no longer want anything to do with this business, simply say there is a "crisis", and then you have 200 hour self funded wonder heros.
I really don't understand our negotiating tact. When the company is in trouble, we give concessions to bail them out. When the company is doing well, and needs more bodies, we give MORE concessions to bail them out.
When does it start going the other way?
Nu
02-12-2010, 11:20 AM
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You should really consider a career other then airlines. Reroutes have and always will be a part of the industry. In case you missed the news they are expecting a fairly major snow storm for the south today. What do you think Delta should do? Charter you a private jet to get you home the minute your scheduled rotation ends? If I have something important to do I always leave a one day buffer. If its really important I leave a two day buffer. You sound just like a passenger complaining about weather delays or cancelations. I guess the same thing I tell them would apply here. Last I heard Deltas private line to GOD was not working and they have lost the ability to control the weather.
P.S. There is no requirement they get you back the same day on a reroute. They do have to pay reroute pay if they don't however they can reroute you well beyond the same day.
P.S. There is no requirement they get you back the same day on a reroute. They do have to pay reroute pay if they don't however they can reroute you well beyond the same day.
02-12-2010, 11:25 AM
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Ok, I was tying in more than you were to the "whole process" of being rerouted, not necessarily the "scheduling only" aspect. I see what you are saying now, the things I mentioned are by-products to reroute, not necessarily the reroute itself.
What would you do to improve the reroute "process", if given the magic wand? You obviously have lots of past experience in this PWA and past rules at DAL.
What would you do to improve the reroute "process", if given the magic wand? You obviously have lots of past experience in this PWA and past rules at DAL.
When contract time comes I want the emphasis in area's that truly need help. Pay, Retirement, Reserve, Recovery flying ect...
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