Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-29-2010, 09:18 PM
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Bar likes us, but not what we brought to the dance. But, IF the JAL thing goes down like many think, he will have to like what we brought, too. No way would DAL, who got into SkyTeam by invitation, ever get the JAL codeshare without NWA as a merger partner.
Management has played this game in their head long before any of the new hires were even on property. He likes us a pilots now. But, he will like us as a company in a year or two.
Management has played this game in their head long before any of the new hires were even on property. He likes us a pilots now. But, he will like us as a company in a year or two.
NewK,
I agree that there is no way JAL would even be contemplating a JV/switch to SkyTeam without the merger of DAL and NWA. However, I do believe that Delta and Air France were the major two founding members of the SkyTeam Alliance. I don't think there was any invitation involved. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Denny
01-29-2010, 09:22 PM
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NewK,
I agree that there is no way JAL would even be contemplating a JV/switch to SkyTeam without the merger of DAL and NWA. However, I do believe that Delta and Air France were the major two founding members of the SkyTeam Alliance. I don't think there was any invitation involved. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Denny
I agree that there is no way JAL would even be contemplating a JV/switch to SkyTeam without the merger of DAL and NWA. However, I do believe that Delta and Air France were the major two founding members of the SkyTeam Alliance. I don't think there was any invitation involved. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Denny
You are correct, Denny.
NW I believe joined after the AF/KLM merger.
01-29-2010, 09:23 PM
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The aircraft that are having first class added are currently 70 seat jets. Their capacity will be reduced. A furlough only changes the number of permitted 76 seat aircraft (26 removed from service with a furlough, all 153 if they furlough past 9/01/01). No change would be required to the CRJ-700 fleet.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they furlough, they have to remove 6 seats from the offending 26 jets, not park them - yes? Diddo for the 153 if they get to a 9/01 hire.
I don't know what Delta is planning for the FC on the soon-to-be-modified 70 seaters, (or AMR for that matter - they're doing something similar,) but UAL operates their "70" seaters with 66 seats. I think its 6/60, but not 100% sure on that.
01-29-2010, 09:32 PM
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01-29-2010, 09:33 PM
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NewK,
I agree that there is no way JAL would even be contemplating a JV/switch to SkyTeam without the merger of DAL and NWA. However, I do believe that Delta and Air France were the major two founding members of the SkyTeam Alliance. I don't think there was any invitation involved. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Denny
I agree that there is no way JAL would even be contemplating a JV/switch to SkyTeam without the merger of DAL and NWA. However, I do believe that Delta and Air France were the major two founding members of the SkyTeam Alliance. I don't think there was any invitation involved. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Denny
You got me. That's my Friday night cognac speaking. (Leon and 80 should be proud).
I think the NWA/KLM/ CAL/AF/DAL thing isjust too complicated with courvoisier.
01-29-2010, 09:35 PM
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That is correct.
6 seats from 26 jets once the day the first guy hits the street, and then 6 seats from the rest of the 76 seat fleet permanently once the first sept 2001 hire hits the street. I believe that is around 500 up the list.
01-29-2010, 09:35 PM
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# 2000 — Aeroméxico, Air France, Delta Air Lines, and Korean Air launched the SkyTeam alliance on 22 June.
# 2001 — CSA Czech Airlines (in March) and Alitalia (on 27 July) joined.
# 2003 - Delta's subsidiary Delta Express was replaced by Song.
# 2004 — Continental Airlines, KLM and Northwest Airlines joined on 13 September. Their simultaneous entry was the largest expansion event in airline alliance history. As a result of the three new members, SkyTeam passed Oneworld to become the second largest alliance.
# 2001 — CSA Czech Airlines (in March) and Alitalia (on 27 July) joined.
# 2003 - Delta's subsidiary Delta Express was replaced by Song.
# 2004 — Continental Airlines, KLM and Northwest Airlines joined on 13 September. Their simultaneous entry was the largest expansion event in airline alliance history. As a result of the three new members, SkyTeam passed Oneworld to become the second largest alliance.
01-29-2010, 09:38 PM
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Geeze, I had to go to Wikipedia to remember what our codeshare was called with KLM. Wings.
(Wikipedia) Also in 1993, Northwest began its strategic alliance with KLM, which was the largest airline partnership ever conceived at the time. This partnership eventually became the Wings Alliance. However, the alliance never grew beyond the two airlines, and is now obsolete from a passenger's perspective, because both airlines are part of the larger SkyTeam Alliance. (From a legal perspective, the Northwest/KLM alliance remains important: it has antitrust immunity, whereas the broader SkyTeam alliance merely has code-sharing privileges.)
(Wikipedia) Also in 1993, Northwest began its strategic alliance with KLM, which was the largest airline partnership ever conceived at the time. This partnership eventually became the Wings Alliance. However, the alliance never grew beyond the two airlines, and is now obsolete from a passenger's perspective, because both airlines are part of the larger SkyTeam Alliance. (From a legal perspective, the Northwest/KLM alliance remains important: it has antitrust immunity, whereas the broader SkyTeam alliance merely has code-sharing privileges.)
01-29-2010, 09:38 PM
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here we go
1989 NW/KLM
2000 AMX/AF/DAL/KAL launched the SkyTeam
2004 AF/KLM Merger and NW/KLM join SkyTeam
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NewK ya beat me to it ;-)
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Cheers
George
1989 NW/KLM
2000 AMX/AF/DAL/KAL launched the SkyTeam
2004 AF/KLM Merger and NW/KLM join SkyTeam
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NewK ya beat me to it ;-)
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Cheers
George
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01-29-2010, 09:39 PM
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