Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-28-2010, 05:34 AM
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Hah hah! Yeah, I wasn't seriously demanding perfect investment advice. I figure if pilots were fantastic stock pickers, they'd be investment bankers, not pilots.
I'm pretty pleased it didn't take a huge dump (yet) after the last earnings conference call. Big D is going to have to start making money one of these days or investors are going to think Delta is just spending money and shuffling airplanes to churn stock.
01-28-2010, 05:42 AM
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I have always stated that I felt it would beat 18 by the end of 2010. Some analysts are stating its two year guidance is 30-35 a share.
01-28-2010, 05:43 AM
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01-28-2010, 05:46 AM
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How do you think those with more than 12 years feel - not to mention the fact that now also with lower pay we have to fund our own retirement out of the smaller pot of money.
Disclaimer - things could be worse just look at ...
pilot mumbling: "Has anyone seen my stapler?"
bastian: "We just fixed the glitch"
How do you think those with more than 12 years feel - not to mention the fact that now also with lower pay we have to fund our own retirement out of the smaller pot of money.
Disclaimer - things could be worse just look at ...
pilot mumbling: "Has anyone seen my stapler?"
bastian: "We just fixed the glitch"
Some who were PCP's were making over 220 at FO wages. Granted that is the high mark, but we are so far below it that it is insane.
01-28-2010, 05:48 AM
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Hah hah! Yeah, I wasn't seriously demanding perfect investment advice. I figure if pilots were fantastic stock pickers, they'd be investment bankers, not pilots.
I'm pretty pleased it didn't take a huge dump (yet) after the last earnings conference call. Big D is going to have to start making money one of these days or investors are going to think Delta is just spending money and shuffling airplanes to churn stock.
I'm pretty pleased it didn't take a huge dump (yet) after the last earnings conference call. Big D is going to have to start making money one of these days or investors are going to think Delta is just spending money and shuffling airplanes to churn stock.
(disclaimer:: I do not trade DAL stock. )
01-28-2010, 05:51 AM
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Contract 2012 thoughts:
Many forum members are big fans of DALPA and Lee Moak. My personal opinion is he has done a very good job of getting some mid-contract gains. However I am disappointed at his performance vis-a-vis scope concessions. I am even more disappointed by his performance through the 1113 process.
Over the past few years the cooperative approach with management has been working, and that's great. However contract 2012 is a big one. I'm a "deadzoner" and thus don't have too many years left to make up for previous concessions and/or mediocre gains in 2012.
I hope DALPA (and management) realize that the pilot group in general have pretty big expectations for that contract. Expectations that include SIGNIFICANT, immediate pay raises as well as improvements in retirement, scope scheduling and other QOL issues. If an acceptable contract can be negotiated with that cooperative approach, that would be outstanding. But if it can't, then we should do what's necessary to get what we deserve.
The addition of the former NWA pilots to DALPA changes the demographics of our group considerably. Many DAL-S pilots are seemingly always willing to accept what ever concessions DAL management wants from us, or whatever small gains they are offering us. But the NWA pilots have a history of being willing to "go to the mat" for what they want. I think that works in our favor in terms of numerically being able to overcome the Milquetoasts.
I also think that many DAL-S pilots built a lifestyle around contract 2000 payrates. That is to say: They were living at or beyond their financial means when the 1113 process started. Now they've presumably adjusted their lifestyles and spending habits to lower incomes and can hopefully weather a financial storm, if necessary, come contract time.
Many forum members are big fans of DALPA and Lee Moak. My personal opinion is he has done a very good job of getting some mid-contract gains. However I am disappointed at his performance vis-a-vis scope concessions. I am even more disappointed by his performance through the 1113 process.
Over the past few years the cooperative approach with management has been working, and that's great. However contract 2012 is a big one. I'm a "deadzoner" and thus don't have too many years left to make up for previous concessions and/or mediocre gains in 2012.
I hope DALPA (and management) realize that the pilot group in general have pretty big expectations for that contract. Expectations that include SIGNIFICANT, immediate pay raises as well as improvements in retirement, scope scheduling and other QOL issues. If an acceptable contract can be negotiated with that cooperative approach, that would be outstanding. But if it can't, then we should do what's necessary to get what we deserve.
The addition of the former NWA pilots to DALPA changes the demographics of our group considerably. Many DAL-S pilots are seemingly always willing to accept what ever concessions DAL management wants from us, or whatever small gains they are offering us. But the NWA pilots have a history of being willing to "go to the mat" for what they want. I think that works in our favor in terms of numerically being able to overcome the Milquetoasts.
I also think that many DAL-S pilots built a lifestyle around contract 2000 payrates. That is to say: They were living at or beyond their financial means when the 1113 process started. Now they've presumably adjusted their lifestyles and spending habits to lower incomes and can hopefully weather a financial storm, if necessary, come contract time.
01-28-2010, 06:13 AM
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Contract 2012 thoughts:
Many forum members are big fans of DALPA and Lee Moak. My personal opinion is he has done a very good job of getting some mid-contract gains. However I am disappointed at his performance vis-a-vis scope concessions. I am even more disappointed by his performance through the 1113 process.
Over the past few years the cooperative approach with management has been working, and that's great. However contract 2012 is a big one. I'm a "deadzoner" and thus don't have too many years left to make up for previous concessions and/or mediocre gains in 2012.
I hope DALPA (and management) realize that the pilot group in general have pretty big expectations for that contract. Expectations that include SIGNIFICANT, immediate pay raises as well as improvements in retirement, scope scheduling and other QOL issues. If an acceptable contract can be negotiated with that cooperative approach, that would be outstanding. But if it can't, then we should do what's necessary to get what we deserve.
The addition of the former NWA pilots to DALPA changes the demographics of our group considerably. Many DAL-S pilots are seemingly always willing to accept what ever concessions DAL management wants from us, or whatever small gains they are offering us. But the NWA pilots have a history of being willing to "go to the mat" for what they want. I think that works in our favor in terms of numerically being able to overcome the Milquetoasts.
I also think that many DAL-S pilots built a lifestyle around contract 2000 payrates. That is to say: They were living at or beyond their financial means when the 1113 process started. Now they've presumably adjusted their lifestyles and spending habits to lower incomes and can hopefully weather a financial storm, if necessary, come contract time.
Many forum members are big fans of DALPA and Lee Moak. My personal opinion is he has done a very good job of getting some mid-contract gains. However I am disappointed at his performance vis-a-vis scope concessions. I am even more disappointed by his performance through the 1113 process.
Over the past few years the cooperative approach with management has been working, and that's great. However contract 2012 is a big one. I'm a "deadzoner" and thus don't have too many years left to make up for previous concessions and/or mediocre gains in 2012.
I hope DALPA (and management) realize that the pilot group in general have pretty big expectations for that contract. Expectations that include SIGNIFICANT, immediate pay raises as well as improvements in retirement, scope scheduling and other QOL issues. If an acceptable contract can be negotiated with that cooperative approach, that would be outstanding. But if it can't, then we should do what's necessary to get what we deserve.
The addition of the former NWA pilots to DALPA changes the demographics of our group considerably. Many DAL-S pilots are seemingly always willing to accept what ever concessions DAL management wants from us, or whatever small gains they are offering us. But the NWA pilots have a history of being willing to "go to the mat" for what they want. I think that works in our favor in terms of numerically being able to overcome the Milquetoasts.
I also think that many DAL-S pilots built a lifestyle around contract 2000 payrates. That is to say: They were living at or beyond their financial means when the 1113 process started. Now they've presumably adjusted their lifestyles and spending habits to lower incomes and can hopefully weather a financial storm, if necessary, come contract time.
Many interesting points. I agree that the demographics have shifted. I also agree that there are big expectations. It also sounds like the sale job is starting.
As for living beyond your means. Agreed. Did that, learned from it, and will be totally debt free in less than two years. I suggest those who are swimming in debt to live hard over the next few years, pay down that credit card debt, car notes, school loans, and house note. It is amazing how much cash you have and how little it take to live a really good life when you are not paying all of this interest.
Doing this allows you to really start saving for college, and retirement. Our projections for my retirement in 20-25 years looks decent. If I stay till 65 even better.
01-28-2010, 06:25 AM
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01-28-2010, 06:38 AM
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01-28-2010, 06:39 AM
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