Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-28-2010, 04:30 AM
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Battle tested doesn't mean joining with management to stop a USAir takeover. Battle tested doesn't mean losing retirements, pay and work rules in bankruptcy court. Battle tested means withdrawing your services from a management team that wants to destroy you and your union. DALPA has never experienced that.
I hope you're right that DALPA will have a strategy for the talks in 2012. I'd be happier if they announced their strategy to begin those talks this year so that we have a new contract ON the amendable date of our current contract. I also hope they have a strategy of preparing the membership for self help in the event that management wants to begin talks in 2012 and finish them around 2015 with a concessionary final offer.
Unless DALPA has a marked change in leadership, it is clear to me that our success will greatly depend upon how nice management decides to be with us.
Carl
I hope you're right that DALPA will have a strategy for the talks in 2012. I'd be happier if they announced their strategy to begin those talks this year so that we have a new contract ON the amendable date of our current contract. I also hope they have a strategy of preparing the membership for self help in the event that management wants to begin talks in 2012 and finish them around 2015 with a concessionary final offer.
Unless DALPA has a marked change in leadership, it is clear to me that our success will greatly depend upon how nice management decides to be with us.
Carl
+1 Well said Carl.
I won't sling poo DALPAs way (at least not too hard), but "battle tested" is not the correct description - maybe more accurate would be that they have had a successful "staff tour".
DALPA has extracted modest gains since BK (COLA), but I'd like to see DALPA LEVERAGE its opportunities more effectively. Right now we only have rumors of growth, synergies, hiring, JAL JV, etc.
Looking through the milky window of the locked candy store, I'm interested in how we can end up with a bag full of candy. We have already paid for it. Seems to me there's currently about $1.1B that Delta just cannot wait to un-ass. I'd be happy to give them my bank routing number.
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01-28-2010, 04:31 AM
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FO chart
(took out the retired fleet types and DLX rates)
YOS ________ 12 __ 11___ 10____ 9_____ 8_____ 7____ 6_____ 5_____ 4____ 3_____ 2____ 1
B-777-200 __218.29 216.34 214.39 211.51 209.24 204.57 199.01 194.11 189.57 185.08 158.17 56.00
B-767-400ER 206.19 204.34 202.50 199.78 197.66 193.23 187.97 183.35 179.06 174.82 149.40 56.00
B-7ER/757 __182.72 180.57 178.40 175.47 173.72 169.74 165.18 161.16 157.32 153.57 131.22 56.00
B-737-800 __175.21 173.66 172.08 169.77 167.97 164.21 159.75 155.81 152.17 148.56 126.96 56.00
MD-90 _____166.03 163.97 161.91 159.15 157.48 153.85 149.60 145.89 142.33 138.87 118.61 56.00
MD-88 _____162.12 159.94 157.87 154.99 153.35 149.74 145.50 141.76 138.24 134.75 115.05 56.00
(took out the retired fleet types and DLX rates)
YOS ________ 12 __ 11___ 10____ 9_____ 8_____ 7____ 6_____ 5_____ 4____ 3_____ 2____ 1
B-777-200 __218.29 216.34 214.39 211.51 209.24 204.57 199.01 194.11 189.57 185.08 158.17 56.00
B-767-400ER 206.19 204.34 202.50 199.78 197.66 193.23 187.97 183.35 179.06 174.82 149.40 56.00
B-7ER/757 __182.72 180.57 178.40 175.47 173.72 169.74 165.18 161.16 157.32 153.57 131.22 56.00
B-737-800 __175.21 173.66 172.08 169.77 167.97 164.21 159.75 155.81 152.17 148.56 126.96 56.00
MD-90 _____166.03 163.97 161.91 159.15 157.48 153.85 149.60 145.89 142.33 138.87 118.61 56.00
MD-88 _____162.12 159.94 157.87 154.99 153.35 149.74 145.50 141.76 138.24 134.75 115.05 56.00
01-28-2010, 04:35 AM
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FO chart
(took out the retired fleet types and DLX rates)
YOS ______ 12 _____ 11______ 10_____ 9_____ 8____ 7____ 6_____ 5_____ 4_____ 3______ 2______ 1
B-777-200 218.29__ 216.34 __214.39__211.51 209.26 204.57 199.01 194.11 189.57 185.08 158.17 56.00
B-767-400ER 206.19 204.34 202.50 199.78 197.66 193.23 187.97 183.35 179.06 174.82 149.40 56.00
B-7ER/757 182.72 180.57 178.40 175.47 173.72 169.74 165.18 161.16 157.32 153.57 131.22 56.00
B-737-800 175.21 173.66 172.08 169.77 167.97 164.21 159.75 155.81 152.17 148.56 126.96 56.00
MD-90 166.03 163.97 161.91 159.15 157.48 153.85 149.60 145.89 142.33 138.87 118.61 56.00
MD-88 162.12 159.94 157.87 154.99 153.35 149.74 145.50 141.76 138.24 134.75 115.05 56.00
(took out the retired fleet types and DLX rates)
YOS ______ 12 _____ 11______ 10_____ 9_____ 8____ 7____ 6_____ 5_____ 4_____ 3______ 2______ 1
B-777-200 218.29__ 216.34 __214.39__211.51 209.26 204.57 199.01 194.11 189.57 185.08 158.17 56.00
B-767-400ER 206.19 204.34 202.50 199.78 197.66 193.23 187.97 183.35 179.06 174.82 149.40 56.00
B-7ER/757 182.72 180.57 178.40 175.47 173.72 169.74 165.18 161.16 157.32 153.57 131.22 56.00
B-737-800 175.21 173.66 172.08 169.77 167.97 164.21 159.75 155.81 152.17 148.56 126.96 56.00
MD-90 166.03 163.97 161.91 159.15 157.48 153.85 149.60 145.89 142.33 138.87 118.61 56.00
MD-88 162.12 159.94 157.87 154.99 153.35 149.74 145.50 141.76 138.24 134.75 115.05 56.00
For cripes sakes I would be making more than an 88A!! Heck almost as much as a 20 year 767A does today. Just plain nutso!
01-28-2010, 04:38 AM
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CA chart
(took out the retired fleet types and DLX rates)
YOS ________ 12 __ 11___ 10____ 9_____ 8_____ 7____ 6_____ 5_____ 4____ 3_____ 2____ 1
B-777-200IGW _319.61 317.21 314.82 312.42 310.02 307.62 305.23 302.83 300.43 298.03 295.64 293.24
B-767-400ER __301.89 299.62 297.36 295.09 292.83 290.57 288.30 286.04 283.77 281.51 279.25 276.98
B-767-300ER __267.52 264.76 261.97 259.18 257.36 255.24 253.35 251.41 249.31 247.28 245.27 243.22
B-737-800 ____256.53 254.63 252.68 250.77 248.84 246.93 245.01 243.07 241.15 239.22 237.31 235.52
MD-90 _______243.08 240.43 237.75 235.09 233.30 231.35 229.45 227.60 225.56 223.62 221.70 219.67
MD-88 _______237.37 234.52 231.82 228.93 227.18 225.18 223.16 221.16 219.07 216.98 215.04 213.19
(took out the retired fleet types and DLX rates)
YOS ________ 12 __ 11___ 10____ 9_____ 8_____ 7____ 6_____ 5_____ 4____ 3_____ 2____ 1
B-777-200IGW _319.61 317.21 314.82 312.42 310.02 307.62 305.23 302.83 300.43 298.03 295.64 293.24
B-767-400ER __301.89 299.62 297.36 295.09 292.83 290.57 288.30 286.04 283.77 281.51 279.25 276.98
B-767-300ER __267.52 264.76 261.97 259.18 257.36 255.24 253.35 251.41 249.31 247.28 245.27 243.22
B-737-800 ____256.53 254.63 252.68 250.77 248.84 246.93 245.01 243.07 241.15 239.22 237.31 235.52
MD-90 _______243.08 240.43 237.75 235.09 233.30 231.35 229.45 227.60 225.56 223.62 221.70 219.67
MD-88 _______237.37 234.52 231.82 228.93 227.18 225.18 223.16 221.16 219.07 216.98 215.04 213.19
01-28-2010, 04:40 AM
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Interesting.
The FOs then were making way more than the captains are now.
Our payrates have been decimated.
We need to get some of that back BEFORE December 2012.
Nothing illegal, but something firm. It can be done.
The FOs then were making way more than the captains are now.
Our payrates have been decimated.
We need to get some of that back BEFORE December 2012.
Nothing illegal, but something firm. It can be done.
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01-28-2010, 04:41 AM
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01-28-2010, 04:55 AM
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01-28-2010, 05:04 AM
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(Accurate answers only please!
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01-28-2010, 05:04 AM
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How do you think those with more than 12 years feel - not to mention the fact that now also with lower pay we have to fund our own retirement out of the smaller pot of money.
Disclaimer - things could be worse just look at ...
pilot mumbling: "Has anyone seen my stapler?"
bastian: "We just fixed the glitch"
01-28-2010, 05:10 AM
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Noone can answer that accurately.
My take is that there is a clear path to approximately $18/share (auto sell at $17.49 ish) Although I am surprised there hasn't been a pullback to the mid 11s prior to the run up.
This is not advice dyodd.
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