Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Carl,

Don't give up!! As you know, the percentage of our pilots that post on here is verrrrrrry small considering we have a group of 12000+. From my own conversations with other pilots in the lounge and on flights, our next contract negotiations could get very interesting to say the least. I still have confidence that, when push comes to shove, this group will step up. Maybe I'm being a Pollyanna and looking on the bright side but only time will tell. All I can say is that if I'M fed up with things, I KNOW alot of others are too!

Hang in there.........all is not lost yet!

Denny

Originally Posted by Kingbird87

Carl,
Perhaps I should run everything through you before I make a comment. At least I could avoid saying anything before you tell me what I meant to say. Please inform us of the direction you would like for the discourse to be acceptable in the future. Getting my "mind right" will avoid stopping any more free debate.

Originally Posted by Hawaii50

Just thought I ought to point out this guy insulting an entire group and no one calling him out.........again. The difference between the life of a junior pilot at DL and one at NWA over the last 10 years has been stark. Very stark. The fDL group was the model of unselfishness during the worst time in airline history. I'll take the results of this smart, unselfish, and apparently "weak" group any day.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Carl, my desire is to serve this group, and make this place a better place to work. Here, in ALPA or other. We need ppl that will step up and put pilots first in their thought process, the current guys will not be here this forever and we need ppl to continually be willing to work for the betterment of everyone.

I am agreeing with King when I state "management" is watching. They should, it is one stop shopping when it come to DAL pilots. It is a great litmus test of how irked this group will be over this or that. The cross section of opinions on here is amazing. If I was trying to gauge if a decision was well taken or if it would be well taken I would have one of the ppl on here drop it and see how it flies. The results would allow you to tweak it, or add to it, if you were willing to take a little more heat. In effect this board is the greatest "Consumer Opinion Poll" for management and the union.

You say let them see, I agree, I do not care as it is what it is and no matter how "secretive" someone wants or tries to be with posing on the internet, it will always end up in someone else's hands. Why? Because there are ppl in every organization that are willing to sell part of their group and themselves' to move up.

To end the rant, post away, just realize that those who take the time to stay informed, listen to every bit of data they can find and connect the dots have many wondering how the heck they came up with that. To many like myself it is easy. It passes the "I would do that if I were running the ship" test. This group is diverse as this board is and because of that, it has gain a ton more attention that anyone wanted. Use that accordingly.

Originally Posted by NuGuy

Carl has a winning smile, fantastic golf swing, patented brand of putting grass and has a magnificent way with small herbivors. Because of this we love him.

You...not so much.

Nu

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

While I'm thinking about statistics, through the third qtr 2009:

Northwest Airlines:
Operating Revenue (millions)14,084 11,391 -19.12%
Delta Airlines:
Operating Revenue (millions)20,848 18,436 -11.57%

Northwest Airlines:
Net Income (millions) -4,827 -1,490...
Passenger Yield (cents)213.0611.14 -14.70%
Revenue per ASM (cents)316.3314.64 -10.35%

Delta Airlines:
Net Income (millions) -7,645 -1,847...
Passenger Yield (cents)212.9711.33 -12.64%
Revenue per ASM (cents)316.1114.81 -8.07%

Since this always makes the f-NWA folks mad, don't get angry at me. I'm just reporting the data, as the Company reports it to the DOT.

Both airlines have been effected by the downturn in our economy, although the effect on Northwest Airlines has been more pronounced.

A guess would be that one reason Delta does not need aircraft is because our combined fleet (and staffing) is under utilized in some areas and could be better optimized. That's also what management is telling us.

Two one legged men don't make a track star. We've got to get in shape. (insert trite sun shiny inspirational statement as required to end on a positive note - here)

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Nobody will get mad at you, the data is what it is. But NWA wasn't being run by NWA during the stated period, DAL was running NWA. Why DAL decided to run its subsidiary business that way is puzzling. Why DAL decided to get out of the freight business when FedEx and UPS are reporting a turn around in the freight business isn't puzzling, that's just sad.

Carl

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

While I'm thinking about statistics, through the third qtr 2009:

Northwest Airlines:
Operating Revenue (millions)14,084 11,391 -19.12%
Delta Airlines:
Operating Revenue (millions)20,848 18,436 -11.57%

Northwest Airlines:
Net Income (millions) -4,827 -1,490...
Passenger Yield (cents)213.0611.14 -14.70%
Revenue per ASM (cents)316.3314.64 -10.35%

Delta Airlines:
Net Income (millions) -7,645 -1,847...
Passenger Yield (cents)212.9711.33 -12.64%
Revenue per ASM (cents)316.1114.81 -8.07%

Since this always makes the f-NWA folks mad, don't get angry at me. I'm just reporting the data, as the Company reports it to the DOT.

Both airlines have been effected by the downturn in our economy, although the effect on Northwest Airlines has been more pronounced.

A guess would be that one reason Delta does not need aircraft is because our combined fleet (and staffing) is under utilized in some areas and could be better optimized. That's also what management is telling us.

Two one legged men don't make a track star. We've got to get in shape. (insert trite sun shiny inspirational statement as required to end on a positive note - here)