Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-26-2010, 08:42 PM
Da Hudge
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I think if EMB tries a 150 seat with that 2x2 seating that thing is going to make a 753 look like a A319. EMB has had a long standing position of not going into the 737/A320 size battle zone and I think its interesting Bombardier is either waffling or non commital on going beyond 130 seats too. That might be the limit and maybe Bombardier will hit the start button on the C-Series and maybe we can have one of these two planes here in short order to make sure we're a growing airline. Maybe have as many of those as we once had DC9s.
I wonder how you say "viagra jet" in Portugese.
I am certainly eagerly awaiting the C-series aircraft. It looks like it's going to be a promising design, and hopefully it will have the cargo capability more in line with a real airplane instead of the E-195.
Since management is reading this: I have zero issues with shutting this place down over anything over 76 seats being outsourced. The airline does not deserve to be in business with that level of outsourcing. (It's already gone way too far...)
01-26-2010, 08:44 PM
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01-26-2010, 08:45 PM
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As always Denny, this is a great question.
The answer is that you have no weapon against management if they have no fear that you will ever use it. They not only need to know many of the things that could happen, but they have to know there is a high chance that the workers will actually press the button.
It's clear this management has nothing to fear. Our playbook may as well be People Magazine.
Carl
The answer is that you have no weapon against management if they have no fear that you will ever use it. They not only need to know many of the things that could happen, but they have to know there is a high chance that the workers will actually press the button.
It's clear this management has nothing to fear. Our playbook may as well be People Magazine.
Carl
Don't give up!! As you know, the percentage of our pilots that post on here is verrrrrrry small considering we have a group of 12000+. From my own conversations with other pilots in the lounge and on flights, our next contract negotiations could get very interesting to say the least. I still have confidence that, when push comes to shove, this group will step up. Maybe I'm being a Pollyanna and looking on the bright side but only time will tell.
All I can say is that if I'M fed up with things, I KNOW alot of others are too!
Hang in there.........all is not lost yet!
Denny
01-26-2010, 08:45 PM
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[quote=Carl Spackler;752144]That definitely sounds like your trying to step back from those earlier ridiculous comments of yours. But despite what you say now, you WERE trying to stop debate.
The only thing worse than your post, is the effect it had on people posting.
Carl
Carl,
Perhaps I should run everything through you before I make a comment. At least I could avoid saying anything before you tell me what I meant to say. Please inform us of the direction you would like for the discourse to be acceptable in the future. Getting my "mind right" will avoid stopping any more free debate.
The only thing worse than your post, is the effect it had on people posting.
Carl
Carl,
Perhaps I should run everything through you before I make a comment. At least I could avoid saying anything before you tell me what I meant to say. Please inform us of the direction you would like for the discourse to be acceptable in the future. Getting my "mind right" will avoid stopping any more free debate.
01-26-2010, 08:49 PM
Da Hudge
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01-26-2010, 08:50 PM
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I wonder how you say "viagra jet" in Portugese.
I am certainly eagerly awaiting the C-series aircraft. It looks like it's going to be a promising design, and hopefully it will have the cargo capability more in line with a real airplane instead of the E-195.
Since management is reading this: I have zero issues with shutting this place down over anything over 76 seats being outsourced. The airline does not deserve to be in business with that level of outsourcing. (It's already gone way too far...)
I am certainly eagerly awaiting the C-series aircraft. It looks like it's going to be a promising design, and hopefully it will have the cargo capability more in line with a real airplane instead of the E-195.
Since management is reading this: I have zero issues with shutting this place down over anything over 76 seats being outsourced. The airline does not deserve to be in business with that level of outsourcing. (It's already gone way too far...)
I agree with your post and I agree that if cargo is the E195s issue then EMB would have to look at how to fix that if they want DAL orders... although cargo doesn't seem to be an issue on the RJ fleet. The 80 is great for cargo, there was a time when I saw a coffin or two in the 2nd cargo compartment on every leg. I think people have slacked off kicking the bucket lately but I'm sure business will pick up.
01-26-2010, 08:55 PM
Da Hudge
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Carl,
Don't give up!! As you know, the percentage of our pilots that post on here is verrrrrrry small considering we have a group of 12000+. From my own conversations with other pilots in the lounge and on flights, our next contract negotiations could get very interesting to say the least. I still have confidence that, when push comes to shove, this group will step up. Maybe I'm being a Pollyanna and looking on the bright side but only time will tell. All I can say is that if I'M fed up with things, I KNOW alot of others are too!
Hang in there.........all is not lost yet!
Denny
Don't give up!! As you know, the percentage of our pilots that post on here is verrrrrrry small considering we have a group of 12000+. From my own conversations with other pilots in the lounge and on flights, our next contract negotiations could get very interesting to say the least. I still have confidence that, when push comes to shove, this group will step up. Maybe I'm being a Pollyanna and looking on the bright side but only time will tell.
All I can say is that if I'M fed up with things, I KNOW alot of others are too!Hang in there.........all is not lost yet!
Denny
Considering the fact that I view this thread many more times than I post (sad, I know), and that I'm sure many others have the same habits, it's safe to say that there probably aren't THAT many outside lurkers.
I can just imagine it now: in some deeply hidden cubicle in Va Ave, there is the special assignment management person with one task: Find out who everyone on APC is. Learn who their family members are and what they do.... their pets...and their underwear of preference. These things are all crucial to the future of Delta and finding out how to crack the concrete bunker that is the pilot ranks here.
01-26-2010, 08:55 PM
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Denny
01-26-2010, 08:57 PM
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At least it wasn't the hat. God forbid you ever forget the hat. I think that'll be my new screen name at the "new" place. "forgot my hat."
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Speaing of commie stuff, I'm gonna buy that Su-37 that was for sale out of RFD. Daddy like! That thing uses like 2500 feet of runway before it goes vertical, a nice dark smoke trail, and loud enough to wake the dead.
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Speaing of commie stuff, I'm gonna buy that Su-37 that was for sale out of RFD. Daddy like! That thing uses like 2500 feet of runway before it goes vertical, a nice dark smoke trail, and loud enough to wake the dead.
GO FOR IT! you're senior to me.
01-26-2010, 08:57 PM
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I hope you're right, but the membership will have to adapt as well.
This latest discussion has taught me something though. I used to think we had a very weak union that was representing a tough group of pilots. I couldn't understand how DAL pilots could allow this.Now it's clear that DALPA is only reflecting the majority of its members.
Carl
This latest discussion has taught me something though. I used to think we had a very weak union that was representing a tough group of pilots. I couldn't understand how DAL pilots could allow this.Now it's clear that DALPA is only reflecting the majority of its members.
Carl
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