Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-26-2010, 08:25 PM
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01-26-2010, 08:25 PM
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...Everything that is old is new again, and someday in the future, it will not be like it is today, and comments about using sick leave for whatever reason, BOB, insider information about strategic moves, job actions, etc. will be great fodder for an injunction, a deposition or whatever...
This is a business we work for, and as such, all is fair which affects the bottom line. As long as I have been in this business as an employee, it has always amused me to no end when pilots think they are part of, or in the LOOP. We are not. We are a contract. We have faces and names, but we are in no way in the strategic operation of this business. My wife was a Sr. Financial Analyst at a large purple company and presented "Outlook Information" to the CFO and CEO each week. When investors sued the purple company for missing projections, guess who ended up deposed in legal proceedings?
This is a great place to opine, reflect, share information that may help us make informed decisions regarding our careers. I am and was saying be cautious of what you say on this open forum. If you would not sign your name and reputation to your comment, don't hit send. When you hit send, you are signing your name...but what I was and am saying is that please consider the consequences of someone without your best interest at heart reading what you post.
Agreed!
01-26-2010, 08:25 PM
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As a non-Delta pilot lurker, I certainly hope this thread and the players involved stick around APC.
This thread has provided me (a DAL hopeful) a wealth of info that I would never have had access too. It provides great ammo for my upcoming decision (hopefully at some point) of where to spend my career.
My opinion doesn't matter very much, but just wanted to let you all know that there are plenty of us out here, with no agenda, who benefit from this threads existence.
This thread has provided me (a DAL hopeful) a wealth of info that I would never have had access too. It provides great ammo for my upcoming decision (hopefully at some point) of where to spend my career.
My opinion doesn't matter very much, but just wanted to let you all know that there are plenty of us out here, with no agenda, who benefit from this threads existence.
Carl
01-26-2010, 08:29 PM
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An excellent read on your part Scoop. As always.
Carl
With respect to everyone aboard, everyone seems to know what my intent was by mentioning the need to treat everything one says as in the public domain. It IS in the public domain, once you hit send, you can't have it back. Everything that is old is new again, and someday in the future, it will not be like it is today, and comments about using sick leave for whatever reason, BOB, insider information about strategic moves, job actions, etc. will be great fodder for an injunction, a deposition or whatever. This is a business we work for, and as such, all is fair which affects the bottom line. As long as I have been in this business as an employee, it has always amused me to no end when pilots think they are part of, or in the LOOP. We are not. We are a contract. We have faces and names, but we are in no way in the strategic operation of this business. My wife was a Sr. Financial Analyst at a large purple company and presented "Outlook Information" to the CFO and CEO each week. When investors sued the purple company for missing projections, guess who ended up deposed in legal proceedings?
You appear to be contradicting yourself - on one hand you say we are not in the loop and have no insider information and on the other hand you say we are discussing valuable company information.
I agree when you say we are not in the loop. Unless any of us have signed a NDA - I don't think we are taking too big of a risk by posting. Legally what is stopping me from repeating any rumor I hear, or posting and giving my worthless opinion on any internet article that I choose to post?
Scoop
You appear to be contradicting yourself - on one hand you say we are not in the loop and have no insider information and on the other hand you say we are discussing valuable company information.
I agree when you say we are not in the loop. Unless any of us have signed a NDA - I don't think we are taking too big of a risk by posting. Legally what is stopping me from repeating any rumor I hear, or posting and giving my worthless opinion on any internet article that I choose to post?
Scoop
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01-26-2010, 08:29 PM
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01-26-2010, 08:33 PM
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A good read
Carl,
ACL65's prediction concerning changes in top management, coupled with a possible Japanese alliance, reminded me of James Clavell's superb novel Shogun, particularly the last few pages. BTW, Happy Ground Hog's Day!
ACL65's prediction concerning changes in top management, coupled with a possible Japanese alliance, reminded me of James Clavell's superb novel Shogun, particularly the last few pages. BTW, Happy Ground Hog's Day!
01-26-2010, 08:34 PM
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Remember you're supposed to run for MEC chairman Carl: "This crowd has gone deadly silent, a Cinderella story outta nowhere. Former greenskeeper and now about to become the master executive council chairman!"
^^^Is that 80?^^^
You'll have the best posters:
IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR ME
^^^Is that 80?^^^
You'll have the best posters:
IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR ME
You are one funny dude.
Carl
01-26-2010, 08:35 PM
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My guess is that the "no new planes" is the story this year. The company is trying to rein in their capital expenditures and debt load - I guess it's making Wall Street nervous. Also, companies seem to make bad long-term decision to keep cash flow going to pay debt.
That IS a big plane - this quote got my attention: A source with knowledge of the situation says Embraer responded to a request for proposals to replace American Airlines' McDonnell Douglas MD-80s with the so-called E-195X.
Regional aircraft - whatever. These are mainline-sized aircraft, doing mainline service. They need to be flown with mainline pilots.
I think as long as we can get MD-90s at bargain prices, Delta will. Why pay all sorts of money for a new plane when a used one will do more, for less? The difference in price can pay for a lot of mx. Of course, there is a limit to the number of MD-90s in the world... but look how long it took to get the China Eastern ones? I've been hearing "more MD-90s are coming" for two years!
That IS a big plane - this quote got my attention: A source with knowledge of the situation says Embraer responded to a request for proposals to replace American Airlines' McDonnell Douglas MD-80s with the so-called E-195X.
Regional aircraft - whatever. These are mainline-sized aircraft, doing mainline service. They need to be flown with mainline pilots.
I think as long as we can get MD-90s at bargain prices, Delta will. Why pay all sorts of money for a new plane when a used one will do more, for less? The difference in price can pay for a lot of mx. Of course, there is a limit to the number of MD-90s in the world... but look how long it took to get the China Eastern ones? I've been hearing "more MD-90s are coming" for two years!
I think if EMB tries a 150 seat with that 2x2 seating that thing is going to make a 753 look like a A319. EMB has had a long standing position of not going into the 737/A320 size battle zone and I think its interesting Bombardier is either waffling or non commital on going beyond 130 seats too. That might be the limit and maybe Bombardier will finally hit the start button on the C-Series and maybe we can have one of these two planes here in short order to make sure we're a growing airline. Maybe have as many of those as we once had DC9s.
So again, not talking airplanes, talking jobs for DAL. II hope this chess match between aircraft manufacturers turns out good for us. I think a stretch high power EMB-195X is a cool idea. I think the C-Series is a cool idea.
Just late night chatter.
01-26-2010, 08:37 PM
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