Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-26-2010, 07:28 PM
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I'm crushed. I'm going to go back and look at pictures of me till I feel better. See post above.
But you want to know whats really an ouch, you can buy a 2-3 year old Cessna 172S with the G1000 cockpit for around $140-$150K. OUCH! Nice resale value.
Luckily if you want one there are nearly 60 C172S' on the market right now. If you win the lottery tonight I have even better news, there are plenty of G550s on the used market. Back in 07 you could expect to pay as much as $5M over the new $60M price tag to just get a used one, if you could find one, so as to not wait years in line. Today, same 03-05 models have fallen to $35-$40M. Early 2000 GVs are even better, low $20M range. Thats a SAV depression. I wonder if its still $75K for initial GV training.
I think that's true. And its not like a big secret to management that people have sometimes called in sick because their commute got fouled up. That's what "Call in Honest" is all about.
I don't think it happens nearly as often as some seem to think, but it certainly happens and it needn't be some taboo subject. There's really no harm in discussing it and ways to minimize it.
Having said that, it's kind of eye-opening to hear people admit it publicly.
I might be careful about doing that. Even if you've only done it once or twice in a 30 year career, its still a violation of policy and you could get in trouble.
I don't think it happens nearly as often as some seem to think, but it certainly happens and it needn't be some taboo subject. There's really no harm in discussing it and ways to minimize it.
Having said that, it's kind of eye-opening to hear people admit it publicly.
I might be careful about doing that. Even if you've only done it once or twice in a 30 year career, its still a violation of policy and you could get in trouble.
The other thing about sick policy, REDACTED FOR THREAD's SAKE.
01-26-2010, 07:45 PM
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I'm going to change my original post...
Carl, good points.
but the sick conversation probably needed to be done in an alpa forum. There is an issue with divulging too much or putting an internal conversation (as someone said) at Chick-fil-A instead of the crewroom or cockpit. We're making sausage in public. I think it has been pointed out the thread is monitored. So is airliners.net. Evidently insider information about network was being poured out on that forum from an employee (I think it was an employee) and that was very frustrating and enraging for Delta. Delta investigated.
But you are right, we have to pray that we always have good management. Right now I think we do, but to think over 35 years we will would be laughable. Nobody stays on top for that long and the only people here for the long term are the employees and we always need to make sure we protect our airline and therefore ourselves.
Now, if you leave this thread Carl, we all loose. Lose. We all lose. We need your insight as much as we need ACL, Slow or Supers hot Texas coed pictures. It all works together.
Carl, good points.
but the sick conversation probably needed to be done in an alpa forum. There is an issue with divulging too much or putting an internal conversation (as someone said) at Chick-fil-A instead of the crewroom or cockpit. We're making sausage in public. I think it has been pointed out the thread is monitored. So is airliners.net. Evidently insider information about network was being poured out on that forum from an employee (I think it was an employee) and that was very frustrating and enraging for Delta. Delta investigated.
But you are right, we have to pray that we always have good management. Right now I think we do, but to think over 35 years we will would be laughable. Nobody stays on top for that long and the only people here for the long term are the employees and we always need to make sure we protect our airline and therefore ourselves.
Now, if you leave this thread Carl, we all loose. Lose. We all lose. We need your insight as much as we need ACL, Slow or Supers hot Texas coed pictures. It all works together.
Best to you FTB.
Carl
01-26-2010, 07:50 PM
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This latest discussion has taught me something though. I used to think we had a very weak union that was representing a tough group of pilots. I couldn't understand how DAL pilots could allow this. Now it's clear that DALPA is only reflecting the majority of its members.
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01-26-2010, 07:51 PM
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So ACL, per the conversations on this thread about the C-Series. It looks as if EMB is nimbling at or possibly about to make a go at it to compete with the C-Series. It might be real or it might be posturing. Looks like its a stretched E195 with bigger engines, probably better performance and I wouldn't be surprised if its a different wing like they did between the 170 and 190. A stretched 195 will be a very big plane fwiw. Its not your FO's 170. 
I bring this up here for one reason, we just heard today no new NEW planes. We know the 90 is being brought in -30/-40 replacement and the -50s are staying for a while. So hopefully not a net loss of positions at DAL. But that doesn't mean no new planes in 2012 for a real -30/-40 replacement that is similiar in size, i.e. a pilot growth plane.
Is the C-Series and DAL possibilities dead in light of the big 90 grab? Or does the Embraer move possibly show signs that the C-Series is being seriously considered and EMB needs to respond? Or that EMB is just trying to split interest and demand? I don't know, just wondering where the C-Series (i.e. the most likely 100 seat replacement) sits with DAL.
Proposed stretch dubbed E-195X by Embraer
I bring this up here for one reason, we just heard today no new NEW planes. We know the 90 is being brought in -30/-40 replacement and the -50s are staying for a while. So hopefully not a net loss of positions at DAL. But that doesn't mean no new planes in 2012 for a real -30/-40 replacement that is similiar in size, i.e. a pilot growth plane.
Is the C-Series and DAL possibilities dead in light of the big 90 grab? Or does the Embraer move possibly show signs that the C-Series is being seriously considered and EMB needs to respond? Or that EMB is just trying to split interest and demand? I don't know, just wondering where the C-Series (i.e. the most likely 100 seat replacement) sits with DAL.
Proposed stretch dubbed E-195X by Embraer
01-26-2010, 07:55 PM
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The answer is that you have no weapon against management if they have no fear that you will ever use it. They not only need to know many of the things that could happen, but they have to know there is a high chance that the workers will actually press the button.
It's clear this management has nothing to fear. Our playbook may as well be People Magazine.
Carl
01-26-2010, 07:56 PM
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....my posts won't mean a thing if the majority of pilots on this thread are able to be silenced by an internet character telling them that management may be listening. ....... If you can't even count on your group to not fold due to an internet character, the problem is far worse than I would ever have imagined.
Best to you FTB.
Carl
Best to you FTB.
Carl
01-26-2010, 07:56 PM
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01-26-2010, 07:57 PM
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Don't worry everyone. These guys will save us all!! 
I know we've seen these before but I just wanted to once again share our Lego hero saviors of aviation.
I know we've seen these before but I just wanted to once again share our Lego hero saviors of aviation.
01-26-2010, 07:59 PM
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Lord Tora Nada said to himself: "That's where the battle will be, near the little village of Marietta. During the battle, EB will change sides, and when he does, he will fall on his hated rival RA. That will signal the beancounters to charge, and I will roll up the sides of their army, and I will win. Oh yes, I will win, because ALPA will never allow the Heir to take the field against me. They know that if they did, I would be forced to fire him instead of making him President, so sorry.
I will be Shogun. It is my karma.
I will be Shogun. It is my karma.
But since I spend so much time in gopher holes, going over my head aint that hard.
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01-26-2010, 08:04 PM
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Here are some notes from the MEM base visit. Some of this has already been said. Also, my memory is not the best and there may be conflicts with stuff that has already been said so take it with a grain of salt...Don't shoot the messenger I'm just trying to do my part and share knowledge.
-1/31 all call signs will switch to Delta
-working on flight deck jepps, will get there eventually
-new a330 sim in MSP coming
-distance training on the 9/320/330/747 soon
-2 777s coming
-2 738s coming
-12 MD 90s coming
-all turbo props gone by 2012
-JFK will be for Asia/Europe/Africa/Latin America/West/Caribbean ops primarily
-LGA will be for Midwest/Southeast/mid Atlantic ops primarily
-ATL will see less 50s and more 9s passing through
-MEM will remain steady but will see more West/SW ops.
-SEA-ERs are headed there and will probably be in the May/June AE. The ERs need to come from somewhere and CVG will probably take the hit.
-LA-They are working on moving AK air into our terminal
-Africa will continue to expand but TSA is a huge issue with that expansion
-East coasters to Asia goes best through DTW than ATL
-Asia looks like it will be a battle of United/ANA vs DAL/JAL/Korean
-5.7% increase in flying this summer vs last summer.
-With the up tick in cross Atlantic bookings and the new AC coming it hints at possible hiring. They will offer the pilots on furlough bypass(approx 350) the first shot at re entry prior to hiring. Since it takes a min of 9 months to get newbies up to speed the AE in NOV will be a tell all. Because of the increase in domestic flying, if the Atlantic bookings continue to grow we will be short handed.
-The AE in May/June will be relatively small but will account for the remainder of displacements from the 30/40s being parked. They still have 1/2 to go on those displacements.
-The NOV AE will include AC base changes
-1/31 all call signs will switch to Delta
-working on flight deck jepps, will get there eventually
-new a330 sim in MSP coming
-distance training on the 9/320/330/747 soon
-2 777s coming
-2 738s coming
-12 MD 90s coming
-all turbo props gone by 2012
-JFK will be for Asia/Europe/Africa/Latin America/West/Caribbean ops primarily
-LGA will be for Midwest/Southeast/mid Atlantic ops primarily
-ATL will see less 50s and more 9s passing through
-MEM will remain steady but will see more West/SW ops.
-SEA-ERs are headed there and will probably be in the May/June AE. The ERs need to come from somewhere and CVG will probably take the hit.
-LA-They are working on moving AK air into our terminal
-Africa will continue to expand but TSA is a huge issue with that expansion
-East coasters to Asia goes best through DTW than ATL
-Asia looks like it will be a battle of United/ANA vs DAL/JAL/Korean
-5.7% increase in flying this summer vs last summer.
-With the up tick in cross Atlantic bookings and the new AC coming it hints at possible hiring. They will offer the pilots on furlough bypass(approx 350) the first shot at re entry prior to hiring. Since it takes a min of 9 months to get newbies up to speed the AE in NOV will be a tell all. Because of the increase in domestic flying, if the Atlantic bookings continue to grow we will be short handed.
-The AE in May/June will be relatively small but will account for the remainder of displacements from the 30/40s being parked. They still have 1/2 to go on those displacements.
-The NOV AE will include AC base changes
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