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ACL is right, people in the know might not buy so we must make it near seamless and headache free as possible. For anyone who has taken the bus or cab between the two knows the routes are very odd depending on the time of day.
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That's entirely possible. What point are you trying to make? I've been following this thread for some time now. I have a pretty good sense of its ebb and flow. Pretty much everyone gets along here. I like what I see and hear from the South guys. (Good health to you too Slow
) King makes one comment (seemingly with this intent of trying to pull all of us back from the edge of self immolation) and you screw yourself into the ceiling with one juvenile, semi illiterate post after another. So....please...what point are you trying to make? Try again. Just try not to drool on yourself this time. Sheesh. ![Confused](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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So there it is, the answer to the question that I've asked twice, which was: is there EVER a time where the majority of DAL pilots would use a self help weapon against their own management team? The answer is not only a resounding no, but apparently all it takes is a few posts from an anonymous internet character to stop any debate on the subject.
So I wish you all the best folks. Continue to discuss whether management will buy more airplanes, or hire more pilots. But most importantly, pray that management is always nice to us. Because in my opinion, this pilot group does not have the will to fight management if that's what it comes to.
Maybe I'm just too old and have fought too many battles against management, but it seems to me that our current crop of leaders have a profound fear of fighting. They simply cannot accept the possibility of a negative consequence. But they can't outwardly discuss how afraid they are to fight, so they develop terms like: "a cooperative relationship with management." That sounds so much better than the real truth. Only time will tell whether this experiment will work. My opinion - no way.
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Yeah... we should have to pay for that. It's not like the government is here to provide for the security of the industry or anything like that... Sorry, whenever I think about the TSA, I have a hard tme thinking of a more bloated... well you know...
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I couldn't disagree more. King did something that I've never seen on these boards. He tried to stop a debate by saying "management knows who all you guys are...and you are about to learn a painful lesson that you'll never forget, etc." Complete threatening BS, but it sure has worked for the folks on this thread.
My question of if management can do anything without going thru the union first has gone unanswered. Anyone?
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Seems like outside of the national carriers like SWA and AirTran, the legacy carriers excluding UAL have pulled out of national television marketing that creates an identity. Billboards and banner adds seems to be prefered doesn't it?
I think there is a downside of advertising in that people love to rail on you "friendly skies huh?" or Delta is the airline of Disney World and we get renamed mickey mouse airlines. Dent an airplane and the media works real hard to redo your slogan.
But I do miss it. I think it sets the tone. When someone (management) calls you and says you're the best then chances are most people respond to prove that right.
I do know there are 2 schools of thought with marketing when it comes to logos, absolutely change them or don't ever ever change them. Look around, its interesting to see who has and who hasn't.
I think there is a downside of advertising in that people love to rail on you "friendly skies huh?" or Delta is the airline of Disney World and we get renamed mickey mouse airlines. Dent an airplane and the media works real hard to redo your slogan.
But I do miss it. I think it sets the tone. When someone (management) calls you and says you're the best then chances are most people respond to prove that right.
I do know there are 2 schools of thought with marketing when it comes to logos, absolutely change them or don't ever ever change them. Look around, its interesting to see who has and who hasn't.
Yeah, I think you are spot on. I wasn't really just referring to the airline industry either. You just don't see as many clever logos as you did in year's past. International Harvester was one that I always liked. But I actually thought the Northwest logo that combined the arrow and the big W was really clean and nicely done. I never did like the way the old "classic" widget was forced on the tails of the DAL airplanes, but that's just me. FedEx has the arrow on theirs.. I think the moniker "THE lowfare airline" is positively genius.. even though it isn't true, I'll betcha they get tons of people overpaying for flights when they could have done better elsewhere.
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Wow Carl. You sure know how to stop a thread.
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A FASCINATING article/opinion piece on the DAL/AMR fight for JAL here:
Swelblog / Swelbar on Airlines - Articles - A Battle for JAL or the Threat ofCompetition?
Highly recommended. It's so good, I almost put this link up on the main page as a new thread, but the DAL pilot footprint is already out of control on APC.
Short summary: Delta wins, no matter what happens.
Swelblog / Swelbar on Airlines - Articles - A Battle for JAL or the Threat ofCompetition?
Highly recommended. It's so good, I almost put this link up on the main page as a new thread, but the DAL pilot footprint is already out of control on APC.
Short summary: Delta wins, no matter what happens.
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Maybe I'm just too old and have fought too many battles against management, but it seems to me that our current crop of leaders have a profound fear of fighting. They simply cannot accept the possibility of a negative consequence. But they can't outwardly discuss how afraid they are to fight, so they develop terms like: "a cooperative relationship with management." That sounds so much better than the real truth. Only time will tell whether this experiment will work. My opinion - no way.
Best to all,
Carl
Best to all,
Carl
Carl, good points.
but the sick conversation probably needed to be done in an alpa forum. There is an issue with divulging too much or putting an internal conversation (as someone said) at Chick-fil-A instead of the crewroom or cockpit. We're making sausage in public. I think it has been pointed out the thread is monitored. So is airliners.net. Evidently insider information about network was being poured out on that forum from an employee (I think it was an employee) and that was very frustrating and enraging for Delta. Delta investigated.
But you are right, we have to pray that we always have good management. Right now I think we do, but to think over 35 years we will would be laughable. Nobody stays on top for that long and the only people here for the long term are the employees and we always need to make sure we protect our airline and therefore ourselves.
Now, if you leave this thread Carl, we all loose. Lose. We all lose. We need your insight as much as we need ACL, Slow or Supers hot Texas coed pictures. It all works together.
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