Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Yes, but the entire offensive team lost that game. Two fumbles in the red zone (should have at least been field goals) and Farve got beat up. He was hit just too many times. All in all, it was a great season for the MN Vikings and as I told my son last night, "they are fun to watch and cheer on, but whether they win or lose, it will not change what we do tomorrow".
It was a great game to watch.
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Agreed. It should work both ways. US Executive compensation is obscene and way out of line for the value that they bring to the corporation. Delta's infamous Leo Mullin and the SERP thieves are prime examples. That the Board didn't hang as well for approving a "retention plan" that didn't contain the word retention....![Mad](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/mad.gif)
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I know, they work really hard for their money. At 92 hours a month, they better be working hard.
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Funny stuff... Go Colts. Even though there are more Vols on the Saints (3)than the Colts (1)...
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The marginal cost of most sick calls is zero. Not one dime.
The flying gets covered by a reserve. Sucks for him if he didn't want to be flying, but the cost to the company is zero.
White slips cost money. Green slips and assignments cost even more.
But when reserve coverage is there, most sick outs don't cost the company anything on the margin.
More reserves required overall is arguably a cost but they would be there anyway in most cases for irregular ops. (weather, etc.)
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I think you are missing one big demographic point. What happened about 12 months before bankruptcy? 2,500 very senior pilots left the Company. Most of them were between the ages of 53 and 60. That age group has higher sick usage than any other demographic. This dynamic has to be factored into the drop in over all usage.
I think you are missing one big demographic point. What happened about 12 months before bankruptcy? 2,500 very senior pilots left the Company. Most of them were between the ages of 53 and 60. That age group has higher sick usage than any other demographic. This dynamic has to be factored into the drop in over all usage.
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If you call in sick when you aren't sick...you are a thief, no better than the mgmt types discussion boards like this tend to bash so much.
If you don't call in sick when you in fact are (and DAL-S seemed to have a lot of them in earlier years) in order to be a "team player"...you are a jerk, who gets his other fellow pilots sick.
If you don't call in sick when you in fact are (and DAL-S seemed to have a lot of them in earlier years) in order to be a "team player"...you are a jerk, who gets his other fellow pilots sick.
Think of sick leave balances as your car or home insurance limits. NO insurance company insures anyone with the expectation that they will immediately and in perpetuity file claims right to the limits of your coverage--every year. In fact customers who do that are quickly dropped from the rolls!
But, if you could not do that (i.e. can't fire a guy for sick leave abuse) then you better believe that premiums for everyone would jump up rather quickly--a perfect example of a few selfish "my insurance limits and claim history are mine to be used as I see fit" types ruining it for everyone else....
But, if you could not do that (i.e. can't fire a guy for sick leave abuse) then you better believe that premiums for everyone would jump up rather quickly--a perfect example of a few selfish "my insurance limits and claim history are mine to be used as I see fit" types ruining it for everyone else....
,,, During the negotiation for the next contract it is a big deal (our 1113 case, for example). Management showed total sick leave costs (total pilot pay hours) that were way out of sync with the rest of the industry. When sick leave was modified, the total costs went down over 25% year over year (close to industry), which wasn't because of the change in sick pay, but because the change in the number of pilots calling in sick...
DISCLAIMER FOR THE POWERS THAT BE: I have never called in sick when I wasn't.
Herc & Slow,
Doesn't your exampe only work if the company is having to actually have to "pay" claims out? I think you guys are gonna have to explain to me how the company is losing money when a pilot calls in sick if he is on a fleet that has a ton of reserves that will cover his flying? They were going to be paid 70 or 75 hours anyway, right? Doesn't it all depend on IF the company has to change their staffing formula at a later date based on their historical data?
Also, if this discussion began because you think Carl said that the post bankruptcy contract gains were accomplished because of sick calls costing the company too much money and those guys who called in sick were "thieves," I think you should consider one thing: NWA management had just scored a HUGE gain in being able to force all pilots to fly 88-89 hours per month. Excuse me, I should have made FORCE bold and underlined it. I have no facts or figures, but IMO I would guess that the gain realized by being able to put an extra 20 hours on each pilots line far exceeded the loss of a few guys calling in sick. And slow, while I'm not informed on how your 1113 negotiations went, shouldn't management be required to show the gains they have made that might have contributed to the increased sick call usage? Is it not fair that they get to claim the bad and hide the good?
I will say though, that the New Delta contract in many ways is better than what we had at NWA. Being able to drop trips and other things are perks we didn't have. So, maybe some DAL-N guys will take advantage of those things, instead of calling in sick. A lot of them just lost 2000 plus hours in their sick bank though. So, those guys might be a little sour to the idea of not calling in sick. Who knows? This merger is a process and the two groups and their way of doing things will not be melded together overnight. But I think that we should at least try to understand each other.
From my perspective, I think there are too many labels being thrown around and I think it's counter productive. Everything is not black and white and we shouldn't try to make it that way. The more "captains discretions" we have in the K, the better.
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