Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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I just poured out a beer. A Minnesotan too depressed to drink...ugh.
When's that flowthrough going to start? I need some good news in my life.
When's that flowthrough going to start? I need some good news in my life.
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If an enterprise management wants to be corrupt they can do as you suggest for awhile. But airlines are such a low margin business that differences between competitors are highlighted very quickly.
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I'm not coming down on this issue one way or the other, but it was YOU that called a bunch of guys thieves. So... tell us all then how is it that they were stealing? It sounds to me llike they were well within the bounds of their contract. If they called in sick (the reason has to be reconciled in their own minds as to whether it is truly legitimate) how is that stealing? Or... are you one for the doctor's note route? Nevermind, I think I have my answer to that one. Of all the people on the forums, I would think you would be defending a pilot's right to excercise his contract. But, I guess if your morals find it distasteful, even if it is within the bounds of said contract.. well then someone is obviously stealing. OK.. got it. ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Oh and as far as Kiffin goes... I said I wasn't gonna talk about it anymore, but since you brought it up. We were the jilted brides. We had his back and he turned on us. We backed him when a big part of the college community was throwing rocks. He left. OK.. I have said, I didn't like the fact that he DID leave. I have also said I understand WHY he left. Still didn't make the pain any less. I'm over it. We have a better guy now anyway.
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Oh and as far as Kiffin goes... I said I wasn't gonna talk about it anymore, but since you brought it up. We were the jilted brides. We had his back and he turned on us. We backed him when a big part of the college community was throwing rocks. He left. OK.. I have said, I didn't like the fact that he DID leave. I have also said I understand WHY he left. Still didn't make the pain any less. I'm over it. We have a better guy now anyway.
You're parsing words like a lawyer(sorry) now! Carl clearly implied that guys call in sick because of commute to work issues, not because they are sick. When they got the new policy in place, sick leave usage plummeted. No ambiguity in my mind.
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I agree with Carl, sick leave is ours to use as we see fit.
If we need to use it because the company will not make commuting easy, then that is where it will be used. If the company makes a few changes that cost nothing(10 1/2 day out jumpseat booking time) they will find they make money with less sick calls. It's a win win.
If we need to use it because the company will not make commuting easy, then that is where it will be used. If the company makes a few changes that cost nothing(10 1/2 day out jumpseat booking time) they will find they make money with less sick calls. It's a win win.
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Cog, that's going to happen. That is the reality of the situation... when guys are pushed and stressed, they will stretch it where they can.
I agree absolutely that sick time should be used only for being sick. However...we (as in pilots in general) also shouldn't be pushed into temptation either, right?
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You are looking at it correctly for a snapshot in time. During the term of any contract there is minimal impact (very minor profit sharing, premium pay, and potential operational disruption costs). During the negotiation for the next contract it is a big deal (our 1113 case, for example). Management showed total sick leave costs (total pilot pay hours) that were way out of sync with the rest of the industry. When sick leave was modified, the total costs went down over 25% year over year (close to industry), which wasn't because of the change in sick pay, but because the change in the number of pilots calling in sick. That change in sick pay cost every pilot that needed the old hours and full vice 75% pay. For those that used sick pay as "platinum" days, there was no change.
Did the change in pay cause pilots to get sick less or fly sick more? That's a different discussion, but our LTD rate is closer to industry norm now, which is an indicator of behavioral changes.
Sick leave is just one component of our compensation package, but it is costed just as medical benefits, retirement, pay, and rules/rigs are costed.
Did the change in pay cause pilots to get sick less or fly sick more? That's a different discussion, but our LTD rate is closer to industry norm now, which is an indicator of behavioral changes.
Sick leave is just one component of our compensation package, but it is costed just as medical benefits, retirement, pay, and rules/rigs are costed.
I understand all the above. Thank you for the reply. I was just kind of irritated that Alfa felt anyone who called in sick was literally taking money out of his pocket. I know he would say if you are sick then take sick leave. That's why it's there. But the impression I got was, even if I'm legitimately sick, I would be taking compensation that should or could have gone to him and that's just a bogus claim. Once the contract is negotiated, sick leave usage has absolutely nothing to do with his personal compensation.
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Very true and while it is possible to defer money, hiding it isn't. Always surprises me when intelligent pilots claim there are games being played the the bottom line on a gross scale.
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You and slow are crazy. They keep "losing" money and have managenged to put 5 bil in the bank. That is accounting.
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