Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-23-2010, 06:32 PM
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One other thing about Southwest's model is that they are not jumping on the bag fee bandwagon. Customers realize Southwest is $50 cheaper than whatever fare they find on line for competing service. Throw in other convenience fees and my business traveler friends (same friends than used to pay $1,200 for last minute tickets on DAL) now complain LOUDLY to their Corporate Travel Departments if they are not booked on Southwest.
I argue with them that Delta is a better product and of course our network is World's better. But, for them it is the hassle factor and fees that they see as inconvenient and frankly, dishonest, sources of revenue.
I do not agree with them, just reporting how they see it. In the process of chasing $100 extra from Mom, Dad and the kids, we've alienated a lot of people who plunk down $1,000+ without batting an eye. .. and of course it is not just us.
As ACL65 said, it would be nice to flip the switch on Travelocity and Orbitz, but we have such a massive amount of product to sell that we likely need those intermediaries.
I argue with them that Delta is a better product and of course our network is World's better. But, for them it is the hassle factor and fees that they see as inconvenient and frankly, dishonest, sources of revenue.
I do not agree with them, just reporting how they see it. In the process of chasing $100 extra from Mom, Dad and the kids, we've alienated a lot of people who plunk down $1,000+ without batting an eye. .. and of course it is not just us.
As ACL65 said, it would be nice to flip the switch on Travelocity and Orbitz, but we have such a massive amount of product to sell that we likely need those intermediaries.
My only argument to their grip is this:
If they are HVC's on DAL they do not pay for bags. If they are paying it is because they do not hit metal status. If that bag fee is the one deal that will make them fly us, 1) fly more to hit it and a lot of those nuisance fees are gone, and 2) Call DAL and get a commitment from them not to charge their ff number. Sometimes it just takes a well placed question. I bet DAL would be willing to at least listen to a corporate travel dept as this is the customer we are after. ( They do not pay the fee either way, it is a reimbursable expense for them)
Super you juicy rumor is that TSA has been notified of DAL's intent of adding 50 flights a day in DFW.
01-23-2010, 06:35 PM
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Everything that I've seen from the company indicates that if a pilot is bumped off the J/S for a LCA or fed., he/she will get PS on the same flight. That is a definate improvement.
01-23-2010, 06:35 PM
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If I remember right, CAL/Coex was seniority based and as of yet there is no reservation system. Someone feel free to correct me but I remember that you could ask for the jumpseat in person 1 hour prior, seniority ruled until the last 10 minutes then first come first serve?
I can't remember if I have that right, either way, jumpseating with the opportunity to reserve a seat just about made me wet my pants.
BTW, for those who haven't been you need to make your way over to the other thread on American furloughing again. Its worth reading.
I can't remember if I have that right, either way, jumpseating with the opportunity to reserve a seat just about made me wet my pants.
BTW, for those who haven't been you need to make your way over to the other thread on American furloughing again. Its worth reading.
01-23-2010, 06:35 PM
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The jumpseat and minimum list of reciprocal/flowback carriers is contractual (Section 24.D). The booking window is defined to be the same for all pilots except LCA/SLI for travel in performance of their duties. Management has the right to set the booking windows. I believe the jumpseat and payload optimization was settled by a letter from management to ALPA (not an LOA, but contractual weight).
01-23-2010, 06:35 PM
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One other thing about Southwest's model is that they are not jumping on the bag fee bandwagon. Customers realize Southwest is $50 cheaper than whatever fare they find online for competing service. Throw in other convenience fees and my business traveler friends (same friends than used to pay $1,200 for last minute tickets on DAL) now complain LOUDLY to their Corporate Travel Departments if they are not booked on Southwest.
I argue with them that Delta is a better product and of course our network is World's better. But, for them it is the hassle factor and fees that they see as inconvenient and frankly, dishonest, sources of revenue.
I do not agree with them, just reporting how they see it. In the process of chasing $100 extra from Mom, Dad and the kids, we've alienated a lot of people who plunk down $1,000+ without batting an eye. .. and of course it is not just us.
As ACL65 said, it would be nice to flip the switch on Travelocity and Orbitz, but we have such a massive amount of product to sell that we likely need those intermediaries.
I argue with them that Delta is a better product and of course our network is World's better. But, for them it is the hassle factor and fees that they see as inconvenient and frankly, dishonest, sources of revenue.
I do not agree with them, just reporting how they see it. In the process of chasing $100 extra from Mom, Dad and the kids, we've alienated a lot of people who plunk down $1,000+ without batting an eye. .. and of course it is not just us.
As ACL65 said, it would be nice to flip the switch on Travelocity and Orbitz, but we have such a massive amount of product to sell that we likely need those intermediaries.
01-23-2010, 06:37 PM
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btw, I don't have a cubicle at "DALPA headquarters," so you probably don't have this webboard pseudonym's identity down quite yet...
01-23-2010, 06:39 PM
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The jumpseat and minimum list of reciprocal/flowback carriers is contractual (Section 24.D). The booking window is defined to be the same for all pilots except LCA/SLI for travel in performance of their duties. Management has the right to set the booking windows. I believe the jumpseat and payload optimization was settled by a letter from management to ALPA (not an LOA, but contractual weight).
The widow is not defined in the terms of days or time in general. It can be amended. That can be both good and bad. I was just making the point that not all of the provisions are contractual. Just uniform as you have pointed out, and the ability to unilaterally amended.
I have not seen nor heard of the letter. A MOU if you will. If it is defined that way, great. Just asking.
Everyone knows it serves both the company and the pilot well to get said pilot to work. It is just to what lengths and the desire of the Association to have it be contractual and not a policy. It is very important that it is contractual, and will be great to get the NWA Policy as the new contract provision.
01-23-2010, 06:40 PM
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It's contractual in that management can't make unilateral changes that result in a diminution of benefit, or add enhancements for other workgroups without giving them to us. They can administer the pass policy within those constraints. The LCA/SLI piece is contractual.
01-23-2010, 06:41 PM
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No, clearly "a set" had nothing to do with it. It was a management policy that benefited management, and coincidentally benefited pilots. It could, however, be rescinded at any time by the same management that granted it to you.
Personally, I'd like to see a similar policy or contractual option at the New Delta. But "grow a set", gmafb.
Personally, I'd like to see a similar policy or contractual option at the New Delta. But "grow a set", gmafb.
It was created and not rescinded because it benefited management with fewer cancellation and a lower percentage of reserve staffing. Doh.
Contractual is nice, but why pay for things that the Co. might want to do as policy because it's good for them, unless they want to put it in the contract without a quid
01-23-2010, 06:42 PM
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