Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-23-2010, 07:55 AM
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Yeah and we as tax layers get to foot his bill! We should be spending tax money defending and stopping terrorists, not defending them!!
Well, good luck out there. 
01-23-2010, 08:00 AM
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No, management won't give us one penny more that what the market dictates. DALPA can demand all they want but that doesn't change the marketplace. No one can say we are payed below market rates.
Kudos to our union for reading the tea leaves of the current world and market place and taking a non confrontational business oriented stance. Now lets change our focus from the short term to the long term.
Kudos to our union for reading the tea leaves of the current world and market place and taking a non confrontational business oriented stance. Now lets change our focus from the short term to the long term.
We are in far more trouble than I ever imagined.
I guess it hadn't really hit me before, or I didn't want to believe it, but satchip's post opened my eyes. The company, the bankruptcy courts and the union have done their job all too well. Its taken a few years, but the expectations for what an airline pilot can expect from this career have successfully been "reset".
We've lost the new generation of pilots. Maybe they got here to the majors at too young an age. Instead of comparing their compensation and lifestyle to doctors, lawyers and engineers they compare themselves to their buddies who are assistant manager at the Burger King. Or maybe they got accustomed to the minimum wage sweat-shop life at Comair and think Delta is some sort of paradise in comparison.
Placing trust in management to take care of us in the long term if we are "non-confrontational". That is just profoundly naive. Praising the union for "reading the tea leaves" and realizing how much we were overpaid. That is just profoundly sad.
I shed a tear for this once great profession.
Last edited by Check Essential; 01-23-2010 at 10:40 AM.
01-23-2010, 08:01 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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For those all those who are flying or doing something productive with their day, the investor site says the earnings call will be archived until March 1st or so.
01-23-2010, 08:17 AM
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Check;
Wrong. Not all are lost. Many understand the score and what we are up against. We also see this as a war and not one final battle. There is a big difference in that.
I see this as a two to three contract offensive. I hope we come close this contract. I really do.
Wrong. Not all are lost. Many understand the score and what we are up against. We also see this as a war and not one final battle. There is a big difference in that.
I see this as a two to three contract offensive. I hope we come close this contract. I really do.
01-23-2010, 08:21 AM
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That may be the most depressing post I've read in years.
We are in far more trouble than I ever imagined.
I guess it hadn't really hit me before, or I didn't want to believe it, but satchip's post opened my eyes. The company, the bankruptcy courts and the union have done their job. The expectations for what an airline pilot can expect from this career have been "reset".
We've lost the new generation. Maybe they got here to the majors at too young an age. Instead of comparing their compensation and lifestyle to doctors, lawyers and engineers they compare themselves to their buddies at Burger King. Praising the union for "reading the tea leaves" and realizing how much we were overpaid. That is just profoundly sad.
I shed a tear for this once great profession.
We are in far more trouble than I ever imagined.
I guess it hadn't really hit me before, or I didn't want to believe it, but satchip's post opened my eyes. The company, the bankruptcy courts and the union have done their job. The expectations for what an airline pilot can expect from this career have been "reset".
We've lost the new generation. Maybe they got here to the majors at too young an age. Instead of comparing their compensation and lifestyle to doctors, lawyers and engineers they compare themselves to their buddies at Burger King. Praising the union for "reading the tea leaves" and realizing how much we were overpaid. That is just profoundly sad.
I shed a tear for this once great profession.
Buddies at Burger King? Really? That's a little dramatic Check. Please show me a Burger King Employee(non management like us) who makes 50,000 a year. And that's our 1st yr pay.
I'm all about raising pay, but come on.
01-23-2010, 08:29 AM
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I'll re-write the post.
I don't have a problem with $50,000 1st year pay.
Its the $150,000 25th year pay that is wrong.
01-23-2010, 08:43 AM
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Check Essential is exactly on point.
Carl
01-23-2010, 08:45 AM
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01-23-2010, 09:21 AM
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Code a phone announced that a plan for a spring/summer time frame for online booking of jumpseats. Anyone have any details? Will this result in a reservation system that takes seniority into account?
01-23-2010, 10:04 AM
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god I hope not! I think the first come, first served process is working quite well.
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