Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-21-2010, 07:08 AM
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01-21-2010, 07:10 AM
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On a side note...I read an article this morning on Delta Air Elite. Anyone know where you can get the info on how they are doing? How many/what type of aircraft? Hiring? Pay? I went to the website and saw their fleet but it looks generic. I have some good friends that got pinks from NetJets and would love a crack at this!!
Just in case anyone had post retirement plans for corporate aviation... with these management companies an owner takes his plane, puts it on said companys 135 certificate, the pilots and plane get "blessed" and they're off doing charters (its called charter management and it shouldn't be legal) and in a lot of cases they fly more charter hours then the owner flies. Sometimes owners just have these management firms hire the pilots for them and operate the plane (the more legal way) and how you can be hried by these companies on rare occasion. Most of EJMs charter flights are done on behalf of Netjets, Delta Air Elite for FlexJet and FlightWorks like operations are open to anyone. These extra planes are needed when all 8 or 16 "owners" or said fractionals Jet Card "members" call on the same plane (i.e. holidays and snow ski season).
There is a lot, A LOT, of subprime business jet ownership out there and they're desperate for charter income and were doing okay during the height of fractional flying 2 years ago but now are in dire need as the fractionals are down and not using them much. When times were good a jet owner that spent $2.5M a year for his $25M jet and gang could spend an extra $0.5M to do charter and make $1.5M in income so their total cash out was $1.5M instead of $2.5M. Plus their are fleet discounts on fuel and insurance that helps but basically the owner carries the cost the charter company brokers. Then for the owners you can tack on a $5M tax write off IF you qualify, rules got stricter on that, but it helps cut down on costs if you want a jet, don't care of nasty rich unbehaved kids wreck it and have a lot of passive income.
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01-21-2010, 07:24 AM
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If Jal does come to SkyTeam and they do decide (as has been reported) to park their 747 fleet, it seems many here think DAL would attempt to acquire some, or all, of those airframes.
However if 37, or even ten, 747's showed up we would not be able to operate them (with DAL pilots) until bids had been posted and pilots trained and converted. That would take some time and DAL management wouldn't be very happy to have those planes (and routes) dormant.
I would think DAL management would want to have some JAL 747 pilots along with the airframes so they could be operated from the get-go. Perhaps they could be only temporary employees, but if not, the domino effect on pilot training at DAL would be huge (or Hudge for Ferd!).
Curious as to others thoughts on this possibility....
However if 37, or even ten, 747's showed up we would not be able to operate them (with DAL pilots) until bids had been posted and pilots trained and converted. That would take some time and DAL management wouldn't be very happy to have those planes (and routes) dormant.
I would think DAL management would want to have some JAL 747 pilots along with the airframes so they could be operated from the get-go. Perhaps they could be only temporary employees, but if not, the domino effect on pilot training at DAL would be huge (or Hudge for Ferd!).
Curious as to others thoughts on this possibility....
Phantom,
Your concern is valid if JAL shut down the 747 program overnight. If; however, they slowly phased out the 747 program it would give DAL (or another airline) time to phase them in.
Instead of DAL (or another airline) hiring them as temporary employees why couldn't they continue to operate as JAL giving themselves and DAL (or another airline) sufficient time to train pilots?
This was how DAL did it after 911 when over 1000 pilots where furloughed, the process was spread out over about 15 months (Nov 2001 to Jan 2003) to allow the training department to get guys in the right seat.
On another subject the fence "angst" continues to surprise me. 90% of the guys on this board will probably not bid either the 747 or the 777 in the next 5 years so we will benefit from any widebody aquisitions. If we get 25 747s let the NW guys fly them - less NW guys bidding into other positions
If we get 25 777s let the DAL guys fly them - same beneficial result for most guys. - Its all good
Whatever we do lets accept the ruling and move on. Lets wank about management, other airlines, global warming, no global warming but not each other - we are all on the same team now.
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01-21-2010, 07:24 AM
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EZopenboard was great for so many reasons, reserve lists, open time, jump seat booking. It was a great tool for both line holders and reserve pilots. I wonder if there's anything we can do to help get it going at DAL or if the issue is more of a technical one. I'll ask him and report back.
He's got a new Crystal Ball up and running. Pretty cool.
01-21-2010, 07:26 AM
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Man...I feel like I just read the explanation on Wikipedia!!!!! FTB is a walking encyclopedia!!!!
01-21-2010, 07:27 AM
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Delta Air Lines Acquires Segrave Aviation to Expand Private Business Jet Operations
Press Release Source: Delta Air Lines On Thursday January 21, 2010, 9:35 am EST
CINCINNATI, Jan. 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today announced that its wholly owned subsidiary, Delta AirElite, has acquired Kinston, N.C.-based Segrave Aviation. The all-cash transaction will double the size of the Delta AirElite fleet and improve Web-based booking and the travel experience for fleet membership card and charter customers.
"This is an excellent opportunity to couple Delta AirElite's award-winning product and scheduling flexibility with Segrave's leadership in online flight management and operations control," said Wayne Aaron, Delta's vice president – Corporate Strategy and Business Development. "The Segrave acquisition supports Delta's strategy to offer differentiated products and services to our high value customers."
Delta is the only U.S.-based carrier with commercial and private jet service, enabling customers the ability to design their travel plans with the combined reach and convenience of an on-call fleet and the world's largest commercial airline network. Delta AirElite offers customers the ability to earn SkyMiles and immediate Medallion qualification up to Diamond status, further integrating Delta's commercial and private jet product offering to high value customers.
"Coupling Delta's world-renowned brand and reputation for service with Segrave's history as an innovator in private jet operations is a natural fit for the customers who have long counted on Segrave and Delta AirElite," said Jim Segrave of Segrave Aviation. "All of us at Segrave look forward to our new partnership with Delta and the opportunity to grow this exciting segment of Delta's business."
Segrave Aviation began operations in 1994 from Kinston, N.C. Today, it directs a fleet of managed aircraft specializing in wholesale charter aviation services, private aircraft management, aircraft maintenance and fixed base operations.
Delta AirElite, which operates a fleet of owned and managed aircraft, was established in 1984 and is based in Cincinnati. Delta AirElite was named 2009 "Best Private Jet Service" by Executive Travel Magazine. More information is available by calling 877-DAE-JETS (877-323-5387) or by visiting Private Jet Charters and Charter Flights - Delta AirElite.
Press Release Source: Delta Air Lines On Thursday January 21, 2010, 9:35 am EST
CINCINNATI, Jan. 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today announced that its wholly owned subsidiary, Delta AirElite, has acquired Kinston, N.C.-based Segrave Aviation. The all-cash transaction will double the size of the Delta AirElite fleet and improve Web-based booking and the travel experience for fleet membership card and charter customers.
"This is an excellent opportunity to couple Delta AirElite's award-winning product and scheduling flexibility with Segrave's leadership in online flight management and operations control," said Wayne Aaron, Delta's vice president – Corporate Strategy and Business Development. "The Segrave acquisition supports Delta's strategy to offer differentiated products and services to our high value customers."
Delta is the only U.S.-based carrier with commercial and private jet service, enabling customers the ability to design their travel plans with the combined reach and convenience of an on-call fleet and the world's largest commercial airline network. Delta AirElite offers customers the ability to earn SkyMiles and immediate Medallion qualification up to Diamond status, further integrating Delta's commercial and private jet product offering to high value customers.
"Coupling Delta's world-renowned brand and reputation for service with Segrave's history as an innovator in private jet operations is a natural fit for the customers who have long counted on Segrave and Delta AirElite," said Jim Segrave of Segrave Aviation. "All of us at Segrave look forward to our new partnership with Delta and the opportunity to grow this exciting segment of Delta's business."
Segrave Aviation began operations in 1994 from Kinston, N.C. Today, it directs a fleet of managed aircraft specializing in wholesale charter aviation services, private aircraft management, aircraft maintenance and fixed base operations.
Delta AirElite, which operates a fleet of owned and managed aircraft, was established in 1984 and is based in Cincinnati. Delta AirElite was named 2009 "Best Private Jet Service" by Executive Travel Magazine. More information is available by calling 877-DAE-JETS (877-323-5387) or by visiting Private Jet Charters and Charter Flights - Delta AirElite.
01-21-2010, 07:28 AM
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It is being soaked up by some of the same characters who just recently advocated a long (permanent?) fence to keep Alaska pilots off of "our" widebodies. After all Alaska doesn't have any widebodies and those pilots were hired with no expectation of ever flying one. Sorta like Republic merging with Northwest, huh?
01-21-2010, 07:29 AM
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Phantom,
Your concern is valid if JAL shut down the 747 program overnight. If; however, they slowly phased out the 747 program it would give DAL (or another airline) time to phase them in.
Instead of DAL (or another airline) hiring them as temporary employees why couldn't they continue to operate as JAL giving themselves and DAL (or another airline) to train pilots?
This was how DAL did it after 911 when over 1000 pilots where furloughed, the process was spread out over about 15 months (Nov 2001 to Jan 2003) to allow the training department to get guys in the right seat.
On another subject the fence "angst" continues to surprise me. 90% of the guys on this board will probably not bid either the 747 or the 777 in the next 5 years so we will benefit from any widebody aquisitions. If we get 25 747s let the NW guys fly them - less NW guys bidding into other positions If we get 25 777s let the DAL guys fly them - same beneficial result for most guys. - Its all good
Whatever we do lets accept the ruling and move on. Lets wank about management, other airlines, global warming, no global warming but not each other - we are all on the same team now.
Scoop
Your concern is valid if JAL shut down the 747 program overnight. If; however, they slowly phased out the 747 program it would give DAL (or another airline) time to phase them in.
Instead of DAL (or another airline) hiring them as temporary employees why couldn't they continue to operate as JAL giving themselves and DAL (or another airline) to train pilots?
This was how DAL did it after 911 when over 1000 pilots where furloughed, the process was spread out over about 15 months (Nov 2001 to Jan 2003) to allow the training department to get guys in the right seat.
On another subject the fence "angst" continues to surprise me. 90% of the guys on this board will probably not bid either the 747 or the 777 in the next 5 years so we will benefit from any widebody aquisitions. If we get 25 747s let the NW guys fly them - less NW guys bidding into other positions
If we get 25 777s let the DAL guys fly them - same beneficial result for most guys. - Its all goodWhatever we do lets accept the ruling and move on. Lets wank about management, other airlines, global warming, no global warming but not each other - we are all on the same team now.
Scoop
Is there an echo in here? I am not a Master Debater(haha) but I finally have someone agree with me. I guess I am a late bloomer on APC.
01-21-2010, 07:30 AM
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01-21-2010, 07:31 AM
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