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It was the system that CAL developed. You basically had an initial line improvement window before schedules became final that allowed you to swap with open time for 24 hours. After that they finalized schedules and then it went to a secondary window that was first come first serve with live trading all month long. You saw a trip you liked, pick it up. You wanted to drop a trip and coverage was good, you dropped it. It took 10 seconds to approve or deny the request. At XJT these windows did not honor seniority. It would be easy to structure two windows that allowed requests based on seniority then after those were done you could go to a live trading first come first serve window. I would even go for a system that honored senioriy and did PCS runs at least hourly to satisfy the seniority issue.
The nice thing about live trading (or shorter PCS runs) is it creates alot of "churn" in open time as guys drop/trade stuff they don't like. The open time changed daily as the month went along unlike Delta where it stays virtually the same all month long because there is little to no churn. The only time it changes is within 48 hours of the trips that are coming in, and by then we are not allowed to swap for them. We could swap for anything up until it was assigned to a reserve or two hours prior to report of the trip because it was a live trading system. Trust me, it was nice and it would be nice if we could get some of the Delta guys to not be terrified of change. Senior guys would also love it if they gave it a shot. They can improve their lives just as much as the junior guys.
The nice thing about live trading (or shorter PCS runs) is it creates alot of "churn" in open time as guys drop/trade stuff they don't like. The open time changed daily as the month went along unlike Delta where it stays virtually the same all month long because there is little to no churn. The only time it changes is within 48 hours of the trips that are coming in, and by then we are not allowed to swap for them. We could swap for anything up until it was assigned to a reserve or two hours prior to report of the trip because it was a live trading system. Trust me, it was nice and it would be nice if we could get some of the Delta guys to not be terrified of change. Senior guys would also love it if they gave it a shot. They can improve their lives just as much as the junior guys.
Rocky,
I don't understand how running PCS three times a day vice continuously prevents guys from dropping or picking up trips. If someone has a trip next week that they want to drop what difference does it make if is dropped real time or at the next PCS run in a few hours? If the coverage is good it will drop in either system.
I am also having a hard time understanding how three PCS runs a day, inhibit "daily" open time changes. Guess I picked the wrong week to quit "Ginko." Continuous PCS runs may increase the churn a little, but three daily runs is not that bad.
The open time at DAL may indeed be stagnant, but that is not because PCS only runs three times a day. It is because PCS minimizes open time and there is generally not much to choose from.
Scoop
Last edited by Scoop; 01-20-2010 at 08:57 PM.
Delta, the world’s largest carrier, appears to be gaining the upper hand with an invitation for JAL to join the SkyTeam airline network, which currently has no Japanese partner
If JAL joins SkyTeam, it is “highly likely that JAL’s flights to America will be replaced by Delta”, said Yasuhiro Matsumoto, a credit analyst at Shinsei Securities. But it would take time for JAL and Delta to get approval from US authorities for joint operations, he added. JAL’s bankruptcy filing is just the first step in what is likely to be a long and complex overhaul by the debt-ridden carrier, which aims to slash more than 15,600 jobs and axe unprofitable routes to staunch massive losses.
JAL, which reassured passengers it would continue to operate flights during its bankruptcy, made no announcement regarding its talks with American Airlines and Delta Air Lines when it unveiled its turnaround plan Tuesday. But just hours after it filed for bankruptcy, both US carriers issued statements saying they stood ready to support the once iconic airline. “As JAL becomes slimmer, Delta would provide many flights,” said Yoshihisa Akai, head of research at Japan Aviation Management Research, an advisory firm. US giants are not the only ones waiting in the wings.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-1-2010_pg5_36
If JAL joins SkyTeam, it is “highly likely that JAL’s flights to America will be replaced by Delta”, said Yasuhiro Matsumoto, a credit analyst at Shinsei Securities. But it would take time for JAL and Delta to get approval from US authorities for joint operations, he added. JAL’s bankruptcy filing is just the first step in what is likely to be a long and complex overhaul by the debt-ridden carrier, which aims to slash more than 15,600 jobs and axe unprofitable routes to staunch massive losses.
JAL, which reassured passengers it would continue to operate flights during its bankruptcy, made no announcement regarding its talks with American Airlines and Delta Air Lines when it unveiled its turnaround plan Tuesday. But just hours after it filed for bankruptcy, both US carriers issued statements saying they stood ready to support the once iconic airline. “As JAL becomes slimmer, Delta would provide many flights,” said Yoshihisa Akai, head of research at Japan Aviation Management Research, an advisory firm. US giants are not the only ones waiting in the wings.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-1-2010_pg5_36
Delta, the world’s largest carrier, appears to be gaining the upper hand with an invitation for JAL to join the SkyTeam airline network, which currently has no Japanese partner
If JAL joins SkyTeam, it is “highly likely that JAL’s flights to America will be replaced by Delta”, said Yasuhiro Matsumoto, a credit analyst at Shinsei Securities. But it would take time for JAL and Delta to get approval from US authorities for joint operations, he added. JAL’s bankruptcy filing is just the first step in what is likely to be a long and complex overhaul by the debt-ridden carrier, which aims to slash more than 15,600 jobs and axe unprofitable routes to staunch massive losses.
JAL, which reassured passengers it would continue to operate flights during its bankruptcy, made no announcement regarding its talks with American Airlines and Delta Air Lines when it unveiled its turnaround plan Tuesday. But just hours after it filed for bankruptcy, both US carriers issued statements saying they stood ready to support the once iconic airline. “As JAL becomes slimmer, Delta would provide many flights,” said Yoshihisa Akai, head of research at Japan Aviation Management Research, an advisory firm. US giants are not the only ones waiting in the wings.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
If JAL joins SkyTeam, it is “highly likely that JAL’s flights to America will be replaced by Delta”, said Yasuhiro Matsumoto, a credit analyst at Shinsei Securities. But it would take time for JAL and Delta to get approval from US authorities for joint operations, he added. JAL’s bankruptcy filing is just the first step in what is likely to be a long and complex overhaul by the debt-ridden carrier, which aims to slash more than 15,600 jobs and axe unprofitable routes to staunch massive losses.
JAL, which reassured passengers it would continue to operate flights during its bankruptcy, made no announcement regarding its talks with American Airlines and Delta Air Lines when it unveiled its turnaround plan Tuesday. But just hours after it filed for bankruptcy, both US carriers issued statements saying they stood ready to support the once iconic airline. “As JAL becomes slimmer, Delta would provide many flights,” said Yoshihisa Akai, head of research at Japan Aviation Management Research, an advisory firm. US giants are not the only ones waiting in the wings.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
Delta, the world’s largest carrier, appears to be gaining the upper hand with an invitation for JAL to join the SkyTeam airline network......If JAL joins SkyTeam, it is “highly likely that JAL’s flights to America will be replaced by Delta”, said Yasuhiro Matsumoto, ....“As JAL becomes slimmer, Delta would provide many flights,” said Yoshihisa Akai, head of research at Japan Aviation Management Research, an advisory firm. US giants are not the only ones waiting in the wings.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
Thanks for posting.
Last edited by FlyingViking; 01-20-2010 at 09:39 PM.
I don't understand how running PCS three times a day vice continuously prevents guys from dropping or picking up trips. If someone has a trip next week that they want to drop what difference does it make if is dropped real time or at the next PCS run in a few hours? If the coverage is good it will drop in either system.
I am also having a hard time understanding how three PCS runs a day, inhibit "daily" open time changes. Guess I picked the wrong week to quit "Ginko." Continuous PCS runs may increase the churn a little, but three daily runs is not that bad.
The open time at DAL may indeed be stagnant, but that is not because PCS only runs three times a day. It is because PCS minimizes open time and there is generally not much to choose from.
Scoop
I understand, I'm just saying that the system that CAL developed was old and it was still more user friendly. It made trip trading and line modification a piece of cake. With that said, I agree that the lack of open time makes the need for live trading less important but these airlines need to start investing in better IT systems. Just because it works doesnt mean its good
On a positive note, Who'd have thought those old Ms-dos control commands would've come in handy one day
Wha? You don't like getting out a pen and paper to write down stuff so that you can remember it when you go back to enter it somewhere else? Somewhere else = 15 clicks later. Whether its updating recency or trip trading?!?
I'll try harder to become one with the widget, i apologize about bringing up other ways of doing things that are not that of Delta.
Rocky,
I don't understand how running PCS three times a day vice continuously prevents guys from dropping or picking up trips. If someone has a trip next week that they want to drop what difference does it make if is dropped real time or at the next PCS run in a few hours? If the coverage is good it will drop in either system.
I am also having a hard time understanding how three PCS runs a day, inhibit "daily" open time changes. Guess I picked the wrong week to quit "Ginko." Continuous PCS runs may increase the churn a little, but three daily runs is not that bad.
The open time at DAL may indeed be stagnant, but that is not because PCS only runs three times a day. It is because PCS minimizes open time and there is generally not much to choose from.
Scoop
I don't understand how running PCS three times a day vice continuously prevents guys from dropping or picking up trips. If someone has a trip next week that they want to drop what difference does it make if is dropped real time or at the next PCS run in a few hours? If the coverage is good it will drop in either system.
I am also having a hard time understanding how three PCS runs a day, inhibit "daily" open time changes. Guess I picked the wrong week to quit "Ginko." Continuous PCS runs may increase the churn a little, but three daily runs is not that bad.
The open time at DAL may indeed be stagnant, but that is not because PCS only runs three times a day. It is because PCS minimizes open time and there is generally not much to choose from.
Scoop
This is the way it was explained to me by one of our illustrious schedulers (craysons and small, less than 2 syllable words were required):
The 3 time PCS run actually helps protect the junior guys during greenslips. If greenslips start dropping at say, 1400....then of course the senior guys will go "ooh! please!" But only the greenslips that were already in during the earlier PCS run would be honored. Gotta wait for the 1800 run to jump in the party in that case.
As far as the other stuff, it does seem to help seniority...
I'm kinda on the fence between multiple runs or a fully automated system. At my previous carrier, it was similar to ASA. We emailed in our requests... if the groundhog saw his shadow, denied.
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