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01-19-2010, 08:52 PM
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Section 23.I (here is a portion):
An APD request will be granted if, at the time of processing, the:
a. number of reserves available in the category is at least 25% of the number of reserves
required (as determined by the reserves required formula under Section 23 W., and as
shown in DBMS),
.
An APD request will be granted if, at the time of processing, the:
a. number of reserves available in the category is at least 25% of the number of reserves
required (as determined by the reserves required formula under Section 23 W., and as
shown in DBMS),
.
01-19-2010, 09:37 PM
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You can drop until zero. And then your paycheck = zero. As long as there is reserve coverage, you are good to go. Plus, you get your once a year APD meaning you can drop just about any trip. That's what I did for Thanksgiving. No pay either but the reserve coverage levels are like 25% or something. Just put it in, you get in. Every year they credit another one for you.
I requested to drop a 3 day trip... no dice. The response was something like ' reserve day(s) capped'. Reserve coverage was well above the required level for the 1st and 2nd day. Do we need full reserve coverage for all 3 days of the trip to qualify?
The APD sounds cool, how does one make that request in e-crew?
thanks for the help...
01-19-2010, 09:53 PM
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01-20-2010, 02:53 AM
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While I'm not a drum officionado, I think Neil might have been improvising on what this guy did 40 years ago. Its a long video, but one of my favorites too.
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01-20-2010, 03:06 AM
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01-20-2010, 03:17 AM
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delta,
I'm not an expert on making good arguments. All I can do is point out professions where people make more than us with less education and skill. It, to me is unfair. But, I understand supply and demand and the free market. So, next time I will make an apples to apples comparison.
But, I thought your point was that passengers would be cheesed if we made $250K/year. To which I was saying that patients don't care how much doctors or radiation therapist make when their lives are being operated on saved (I don't think they blame the highly paid doctors when their premiums go up). And passengers don't care what air traffic controllers make when they are directing us around.
That's all I was saying. Sorry, if I misunderstood your point. I just want to get paid.
New K
I'm not an expert on making good arguments.
All I can do is point out professions where people make more than us with less education and skill. It, to me is unfair. But, I understand supply and demand and the free market. So, next time I will make an apples to apples comparison. But, I thought your point was that passengers would be cheesed if we made $250K/year. To which I was saying that patients don't care how much doctors or radiation therapist make when their lives are being operated on saved (I don't think they blame the highly paid doctors when their premiums go up). And passengers don't care what air traffic controllers make when they are directing us around.
That's all I was saying. Sorry, if I misunderstood your point. I just want to get paid.
New K
Nah. I ain't fighting this, or any, point at all. Getting hot and bothered about an internet opinion is just retarded (although we've all gone down that road occasionally, eh?
)I think in general most passengers hate the airline experience in general, even though by every reasonable standard THEY created it, what with deregulation and bottom-barrel, cost-is-everything internet comparison pricing.
The flying public will be "cheesed off" at anything that raises prices even in a marginal way, because the erroneous perception that somehow they "deserve" free amenities. From there, it's a small mental leap to blame the pilots and their greedy, exorbitant wages for their woes (I disagree, obviously).
But really, who cares? Pilot wages are about airline profitability and union negotiating power, not passenger perception or some "right" to a big paycheck. Hopefully, we'll have both when the contract comes up.
Here's a thought: in 1980, the average American CEO made roughly 40 times what their average worker does. Today, the Average CEO makes over 200 times what the average person in their employ does. THAT is a sickening statistic. I'm pretty right-wing, and I gotta say, that sort of thing needs to stop. John Bogle (founder of the Vanguard Group and low cost index fund guru) had a great article about this in the WSJ yesterday.
01-20-2010, 03:22 AM
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Nah. I ain't fighting this, or any, point at all. Getting hot and bothered about an internet opinion is just retarded (although we've all gone down that road occasionally, eh? )
I think in general most passengers hate the airline experience in general, even though by every reasonable standard THEY created it, what with deregulation and bottom-barrel, cost-is-everything internet comparison pricing.
The flying public will be "cheesed off" at anything that raises prices even in a marginal way, because the erroneous perception that somehow they "deserve" free amenities. From there, it's a small mental leap to blame the pilots and their greedy, exorbitant wages for their woes (I disagree, obviously).
But really, who cares? Pilot wages are about airline profitability and union negotiating power, not passenger perception or some "right" to a big paycheck. Hopefully, we'll have both when the contract comes up.
Here's a thought: in 1980, the average American CEO made roughly 40 times what their average worker does. Today, the Average CEO makes over 200 times what the average person in their employ does. THAT is a sickening statistic. I'm pretty right-wing, and I gotta say, that sort of thing needs to stop. John Bogle (founder of the Vanguard Group and low cost index fund guru) had a great article about this in the WSJ yesterday.
)I think in general most passengers hate the airline experience in general, even though by every reasonable standard THEY created it, what with deregulation and bottom-barrel, cost-is-everything internet comparison pricing.
The flying public will be "cheesed off" at anything that raises prices even in a marginal way, because the erroneous perception that somehow they "deserve" free amenities. From there, it's a small mental leap to blame the pilots and their greedy, exorbitant wages for their woes (I disagree, obviously).
But really, who cares? Pilot wages are about airline profitability and union negotiating power, not passenger perception or some "right" to a big paycheck. Hopefully, we'll have both when the contract comes up.
Here's a thought: in 1980, the average American CEO made roughly 40 times what their average worker does. Today, the Average CEO makes over 200 times what the average person in their employ does. THAT is a sickening statistic. I'm pretty right-wing, and I gotta say, that sort of thing needs to stop. John Bogle (founder of the Vanguard Group and low cost index fund guru) had a great article about this in the WSJ yesterday.
01-20-2010, 03:24 AM
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Understood. JV's provide cash flow. My point is, I am tired of hearing that JV's are good for us. End of story. Do not question the details, the mechanics or the structure of them.
We are all moderately intelligent people. Educate us on them and let us decide. Communicate to your constituents and don't under estimate them.
Doing so would be a fatal political error, one that has repeatedly been made be this administration.
FWIW, this is my second post yet I have been reading this thread for quite awhile. I'm done reading. Time to add my opinion and it is opinion only.
We are all moderately intelligent people. Educate us on them and let us decide. Communicate to your constituents and don't under estimate them.
Doing so would be a fatal political error, one that has repeatedly been made be this administration.
FWIW, this is my second post yet I have been reading this thread for quite awhile. I'm done reading. Time to add my opinion and it is opinion only.
Also, no one blindly accepts anything that types on this board. I would submit that most are well educated on the issues, and make informed decisions.
The MEC published a White Paper on the JAL deal after many people suggested it. It was simple but it outlined many points for this deal. It also gave you and I many points.
I too was surprised to see is backing the JV with the letter from our Master Chair. It was the first acknowledgment of it anywhere.
If you recall I am for more open two way communication between the MEC and the LEC's and us the rank and file. There have been many discussion of the benefits and negatives of it. In the end even if it resulted in less in our pockets it is important to be bottom up. Many see that. I also give our MEC credit for some of the very noticeable things they have done recently. It is progress in the correct direction. When pilots provide input and there is noticeable change that is progress, however small it may appear to be.
I have also made suggestions about some of the mechanics of this JV, both financial and in its setup. I do not need to have to be asked for my opinion. I offer it and you should too.
Once again welcome. I look forward to an intelligent debate
01-20-2010, 03:40 AM
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On the communication front, I've seen the Local 66 FO rep more times in the last few months than I did the entire first two years. Maybe we're getting through.
01-20-2010, 03:41 AM
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I requested to drop a 3 day trip... no dice. The response was something like ' reserve day(s) capped'. Reserve coverage was well above the required level for the 1st and 2nd day. Do we need full reserve coverage for all 3 days of the trip to qualify?
The APD sounds cool, how does one make that request in e-crew?
thanks for the help...
The APD sounds cool, how does one make that request in e-crew?
thanks for the help...
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