Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-18-2010, 04:00 PM
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Lets dispense with the formalities. I just want what you think is going to happen. Thanks for the welcome, lurked around enough.
01-18-2010, 04:01 PM
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Just remember that whether AMR or DAL is successful their future growth in Asia is at the expense of other pilots and their families. Someone always loses.
01-18-2010, 04:01 PM
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This feels a little bit like having your teenage daughter storm out of the room screaming "You hate me!".
Let's try it again.
First, let me say this: Carl, we love you all Northern Brothers like family... because you are, OK? Maybe you need a hug, and maybe we need to say together "It's not my fault, it's not my fault..." and have a good cry together.
...but we don't hate you.
OK, now... I think what the guy was saying is that the company is trying to float the message that that one side is growing, the other side not, in order to influence representation issues. They have put some stuff out on DeltaNet, both for Inflight and ACS suggesting same. Check it out for yourself. I can't access the IFS part from home, but it's on the ACS part (Departments>ACS>Memo from Gil Somebody).
The original poster wasn't endorsing the message, but pointing out the not-so-subtle hint he thought was being given. The reason he had to put up the part you find offensive is that quoting the company's message would be meaningless without it.
And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he wasn't alluding to that ACS/IFS message, and just looking at fleets, and all he was saying is that the company is in fact shrinking one side to drive a message, I still don't think he was making any derogatory or false statements. We did park the B-747-200, and we are parking DC-9's. That's not offensive: it's only true. We also both parked 757's, as you say. OK, fine. No matter which way you look at this, you have to really want to be offended, in order to end up offended.
I think that's why there weren't any (other) debates after his post.
Let's try it again.
First, let me say this: Carl, we love you all Northern Brothers like family... because you are, OK? Maybe you need a hug, and maybe we need to say together "It's not my fault, it's not my fault..." and have a good cry together.
...but we don't hate you.
OK, now... I think what the guy was saying is that the company is trying to float the message that that one side is growing, the other side not, in order to influence representation issues. They have put some stuff out on DeltaNet, both for Inflight and ACS suggesting same. Check it out for yourself. I can't access the IFS part from home, but it's on the ACS part (Departments>ACS>Memo from Gil Somebody).
The original poster wasn't endorsing the message, but pointing out the not-so-subtle hint he thought was being given. The reason he had to put up the part you find offensive is that quoting the company's message would be meaningless without it.
And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he wasn't alluding to that ACS/IFS message, and just looking at fleets, and all he was saying is that the company is in fact shrinking one side to drive a message, I still don't think he was making any derogatory or false statements. We did park the B-747-200, and we are parking DC-9's. That's not offensive: it's only true. We also both parked 757's, as you say. OK, fine. No matter which way you look at this, you have to really want to be offended, in order to end up offended.
I think that's why there weren't any (other) debates after his post.
It sure is hard to find out your salient point in a post that long dude.
Carl
01-18-2010, 04:02 PM
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01-18-2010, 04:10 PM
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01-18-2010, 04:13 PM
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01-18-2010, 04:17 PM
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You must be a blast to fly with 
. Where's the false statement? The 757 reference was the fNW 5500 series 757s that can't be retrofited with winglets and have seen a high number of grounded aircraft. The original question came up after a dinner discussion with some FAs over the meaning of an IFS memo about shrinking fNW fleets and growing fDL fleets and the benefit to them of resolving their representational issues. It was a pretty inocuous question in my mind.
. Where's the false statement? The 757 reference was the fNW 5500 series 757s that can't be retrofited with winglets and have seen a high number of grounded aircraft. The original question came up after a dinner discussion with some FAs over the meaning of an IFS memo about shrinking fNW fleets and growing fDL fleets and the benefit to them of resolving their representational issues. It was a pretty inocuous question in my mind.Carl
01-18-2010, 04:17 PM
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We have aprox. 320 pilots on furlough by-pass. around 100 on the DAL side and about 220 on the NWA side. The DAL by-pass guys probably are gone for good. The NWA guys have much greener pasture to return to. I know 3 that had no plans of returning to NWA, but are now planning to come back to Delta. I would bet that 150+ of the 220 from NWA come back. Opinions?
On this note, how will those guys out on furlough be integrated into the new combined list when and if they decide to come back? Were they folded in when the list was created last year?
01-18-2010, 04:18 PM
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