acl65pilot

The rumor that is going around down in these parts is 15-30 WB aircraft, but as I have stated, it is just a rumor so take it for what it is worth.

Jack Bauer

Formating is probably going to be off on this so go here Japan Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and scroll down if needs be. It is interesting to note, the majority of the entire JAL fleet are widebodies. Of the few narrowbodies they have we are talking about taking some MD90's. Either they are going to do less frequent interasian hops using existing widebody aircraft or they will need to pick up some smaller planes as the plan is put into place over the next couple years.

Of their 187 aircraft 42 are 747's (no rope starts), 46 are 777 (including 777-300's) and 48 are 767's.


Japan Airlines passenger fleet (as of 30 December 2009) Aircraft Total

Airbus A300-622R 22
Boeing 737-800 13
Boeing 747-400 28
Boeing 747-400D 8
Boeing 767-200 3
Boeing 767-300 19

Boeing 767-300ER 23
Boeing 777-200 16

Boeing 777-200ER 10
Boeing 777-300 6
Boeing 777-300ER 14

Boeing 787-8 — 35 (orders)
McDonnell Douglas MD-81 9
McDonnell Douglas MD-90-30 16

Total Aircraft 187

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Cargo

JAL Cargo Boeing 747-400F at London Heathrow Airport

JAL Cargo operates a fleet of 10 freighters, in addition to utilising the cargo space on its passenger aircraft.
JAL Cargo fleet (as of 30 December 2009)[82]Aircraft Total Maximum payload
Boeing 747-400BCF 4 113,489 kg (250,200 lb)[88]
Boeing 747-400F 2 112,630 kg (248,300 lb)[89]
Boeing 767-300ERF 3 53,660 kg (118,300 lb)[90]
Total 9

acl65pilot

If we get any of these jets or ones like em I am sure there will be some strife between groups. IMO it is probably better to not even scenarioize it!

Jack Bauer

Also just for the record JAL has still not officially signed anything even though japanese newspapers have been making this sound official for a week now.

SkyTeam Ready To Welcome JAL In Its Airline Alliance

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...eadlinesEurope

The back and forth inside/newspaper info vs official info has been all over the place from day one on this.

By Maarten van Tartwijk and Bart Koster

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


AMSTERDAM (Dow Jones)--Talks between Delta Airlines Inc. (DAL) and Japan Airlines Corp. (9205.TO) to persuade the Japanese carrier to switch alliances are advancing, Air France-KLM (AF.FR) confirmed Monday.

The struggling Japanese carrier is at the center of a tug-of-war battle between airlines in the Oneworld alliance, of which JAL currently is a member, and the SkyTeam alliance, which is trying to lure it away.

Defections of large carriers from one global alliance to another have been extremely rare. Winning over JAL has become a priority for Delta, which heads the SkyTeam alliance. The Oneworld alliance is led by AMR Corp.'s (AMR) American Airlines and British Airways PLC (BAY.LN). The two U.S. airlines have been shipping their top executives over to Tokyo weekly to sway JAL and government officials.

"There are talks and everyone is positive about it. The talks are progressing well," said a spokeswoman for Air France-KLM, declining to give more details. Air France-KLM is a leading member of SkyTeam. A spokeswoman for Delta last week said talks were continuing.

Dutch daily De Telegraaf Monday reported that Delta and Air France-KLM have reached an agreement on a capital injection for JAL, with the Franco-Dutch carrier contributing hundreds of millions of euros.

Delta is offering $500 million in equity plus other incentives for a package valued at about $1 billion. American and its partners, which include buyout firm TPG, are offering a $1.4 billion investment package.

JAL is expected to file for bankruptcy Tuesday after the Tokyo Stock Exchange closes. The carrier's major lenders have agreed to government efforts to restructure the airline.

JAL has been receiving official advice that a tie-up with Delta would be more advantageous, according to people familiar with the matter, on the grounds that Delta has a more robust trans-Pacific flight network and a stronger Asian network than American Airlines.

A decision isn't certain, however, and JAL isn't likely to make a choice until next month.

A SkyTeam spokeswoman said that SkyTeam is ready to welcome JAL into its alliance, saying a tie-up will create "the largest and most successful airline alliance affiliation for JAL." Discussions were continuing, she added.

She said that JAL's regional Asian network will be complementary to the networks of SkyTeam members Korean Air Co. (003490.SE) and China Southern Airlines Co. (1055.HK). "Most of JAL's most important partners today are SkyTeam member airlines," she said.

Oneworld said its offer to JAL was superior. "This Oneworld proposal is in the best interests of JAL and its employees and customers, and the government and taxpayers of Japan. It provides JAL the greatest long-term value at the lowest risk and brings stability and certainty to the airline at a time when it is most needed."


-By Maarten van Tartwijk; Dow Jones Newswires; +31-20-5715-200; [email protected]

Jack Bauer

Good point.

sinca3

When I was on the shuttle, I would request SC the first week I was up there. I got lucky and knocked out all SC at the beginning of the month and got to sit LC from home (no commute to sit resv....and that was with 8 SC days!

Check Essential

Here's something to scenarioize:
JAL has some sweet Heathrow slots. Prime time.
Guess who's going to fly London-Tokyo in the future.
Wait for it ----The assistant greenskeeper at Bushwood, that's who.

5th Freedom Jackpot baby!!!

acl65pilot

Jack, nothing will be confirmed until they are inside protection. It makes it a lot easier that way.

acl65pilot

Or KLM, or AF. I like the way you think though.

Jack Bauer

If Delta lures JAL away from American/One World the damage to that alliance may not be over yet...

China Eastern Airlines has been courted by Oneworld and currently codeshares with American Airlines, Japan Airlines and Qantas.
However, Air France and China Southern Airlines are lobbying the airline to join SkyTeam. China Eastern Airlines will decide which global alliance to join prior to Chinese New Year on 14 February 2010, according to its Managing Director Ma Xulun.
Additionally Shanghai Airlines may leave Star Alliance after merger with China Eastern Airlines.

Also of note, American used to code share with ANA before the Star Alliance stole them away in the late nineties. They also lost a code share with Air Canada before they jumped to Star as well. The worldwide recruitment for alliance partners will continue to heat up as open skies continue across the globe. United is courting dozens of airlines as we speak and you have to believe Delta and American are too.

If American loses JAL and China Eastern their Asian presence (outside of Cathay) is pretty much toast.