Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-12-2010, 06:02 AM
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I'm actually not in favor of removing the cap/ALV. It is a good tool for creating our schedules and does in many ways protect us from ourselves. I will even go so far as to say that the guys who usually brag about flying the most (why?) are the ones I want to fly with the least!
That said, I just think that we need to focus more intently on higher pay and better trip and duty rigs for the trips as we fly them, and not get so wrapped around the issue of how much you can fly.
And yes, we need to always be vigilant about opening Pandora's box. The company would love to staff a model where we would all be forced to fly 90+ hours a month, with reserves getting abused perpetually, etc. That is even more wrong than some of the other issues I disagree with on the other side.
01-12-2010, 06:08 AM
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Dangit Bar, so you're telling me I wasted money buying you this?
Crap, well thats another waste of $150. Why do I keep doing this? I thought I was going to hold A somewhere on the last AE and went on a spending spree. @%#)(%$. I never learn.
Bids are closed FWIW, everyone should find out the results in a day or two except MD88B who will find out at 17:58 on the 18th.
Crap, well thats another waste of $150. Why do I keep doing this? I thought I was going to hold A somewhere on the last AE and went on a spending spree. @%#)(%$. I never learn.
Bids are closed FWIW, everyone should find out the results in a day or two except MD88B who will find out at 17:58 on the 18th.
For the same $150, you could have gotten this from the boneyard and put it in your front yard:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Northwest-Airlines/Douglas-DC-9-14/1259626/L/
Think how you could have annoyed your neighbors with that!
Nu
01-12-2010, 06:10 AM
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I'd be the coolest dad on the block and no longer that frumpy stay at home dad that disappears for days at a time.
01-12-2010, 06:12 AM
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Heyas,
You guys need to man up over this VNAV crap.
I flew the DC-9 (all models) for 6 years, and the 727 before that. We worked descents all out in our heads, while fiddling with anti-ice, pneumatic crossfeeds, finicky pressurization (since replaced), trying to sync intermixed engines and FAs banging ice bags seemingly right behind your head. Some guys used a wizzwheel, others looked through the grommet at the middle of the wizzwheel and said "that looks about right", and usually it was.
You guys are starting to sound like the children of the magenta line. Fly the f'in jet already.
FWIW, the bus would often get slow in a VNAV descent, because it was allowed a speed range of 20 knots or so, and it would creep down to the bottom of the range by the end of descent. As a result, it would ALT CAP and say "ARRRGH! I'm 20 knots slow", go to full thrust, and it would sound like a lake full of angry Evinrudes. Sharp guys would set a speed near the bottom of descent so that this wouldn't happen.
Nu
You guys need to man up over this VNAV crap.
I flew the DC-9 (all models) for 6 years, and the 727 before that. We worked descents all out in our heads, while fiddling with anti-ice, pneumatic crossfeeds, finicky pressurization (since replaced), trying to sync intermixed engines and FAs banging ice bags seemingly right behind your head. Some guys used a wizzwheel, others looked through the grommet at the middle of the wizzwheel and said "that looks about right", and usually it was.
You guys are starting to sound like the children of the magenta line. Fly the f'in jet already.
FWIW, the bus would often get slow in a VNAV descent, because it was allowed a speed range of 20 knots or so, and it would creep down to the bottom of the range by the end of descent. As a result, it would ALT CAP and say "ARRRGH! I'm 20 knots slow", go to full thrust, and it would sound like a lake full of angry Evinrudes. Sharp guys would set a speed near the bottom of descent so that this wouldn't happen.
Nu
Ah new has the big brass ones!
In reality I know buddy, I flew that sort of stuff too. Lots easier to get rid of the PFM in certain situations.
01-12-2010, 06:13 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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01-12-2010, 06:13 AM
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Heyas FTB.
For the same $150, you could have gotten this from the boneyard and put it in your front yard:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Northwest-Airlines/Douglas-DC-9-14/1259626/L/
Think how you could have annoyed your neighbors with that!
Nu
For the same $150, you could have gotten this from the boneyard and put it in your front yard:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Northwest-Airlines/Douglas-DC-9-14/1259626/L/
Think how you could have annoyed your neighbors with that!
Nu
01-12-2010, 06:14 AM
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Actually the key is to have great rules for the trips that you do fly.
I'm actually not in favor of removing the cap/ALV. It is a good tool for creating our schedules and does in many ways protect us from ourselves. I will even go so far as to say that the guys who usually brag about flying the most (why?) are the ones I want to fly with the least!
That said, I just think that we need to focus more intently on higher pay and better trip and duty rigs for the trips as we fly them, and not get so wrapped around the issue of how much you can fly.
And yes, we need to always be vigilant about opening Pandora's box. The company would love to staff a model where we would all be forced to fly 90+ hours a month, with reserves getting abused perpetually, etc. That is even more wrong than some of the other issues I disagree with on the other side.
I'm actually not in favor of removing the cap/ALV. It is a good tool for creating our schedules and does in many ways protect us from ourselves. I will even go so far as to say that the guys who usually brag about flying the most (why?) are the ones I want to fly with the least!
That said, I just think that we need to focus more intently on higher pay and better trip and duty rigs for the trips as we fly them, and not get so wrapped around the issue of how much you can fly.
And yes, we need to always be vigilant about opening Pandora's box. The company would love to staff a model where we would all be forced to fly 90+ hours a month, with reserves getting abused perpetually, etc. That is even more wrong than some of the other issues I disagree with on the other side.
Yep, you do that, you get what CAL has. 98 hr lines in the summer, and 147 guys on furlough well they fly the tar out of everyone else.
I like the fact that I can pick up as much as I want from other pilots but only so much out of the pot.
01-12-2010, 06:21 AM
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Actually the key is to have great rules for the trips that you do fly.
I'm actually not in favor of removing the cap/ALV. It is a good tool for creating our schedules and does in many ways protect us from ourselves. I will even go so far as to say that the guys who usually brag about flying the most (why?) are the ones I want to fly with the least!
That said, I just think that we need to focus more intently on higher pay and better trip and duty rigs for the trips as we fly them, and not get so wrapped around the issue of how much you can fly.
And yes, we need to always be vigilant about opening Pandora's box. The company would love to staff a model where we would all be forced to fly 90+ hours a month, with reserves getting abused perpetually, etc. That is even more wrong than some of the other issues I disagree with on the other side.
I'm actually not in favor of removing the cap/ALV. It is a good tool for creating our schedules and does in many ways protect us from ourselves. I will even go so far as to say that the guys who usually brag about flying the most (why?) are the ones I want to fly with the least!
That said, I just think that we need to focus more intently on higher pay and better trip and duty rigs for the trips as we fly them, and not get so wrapped around the issue of how much you can fly.
And yes, we need to always be vigilant about opening Pandora's box. The company would love to staff a model where we would all be forced to fly 90+ hours a month, with reserves getting abused perpetually, etc. That is even more wrong than some of the other issues I disagree with on the other side.
01-12-2010, 06:22 AM
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Rhino Driver asked yesterday, I think it was yesterday which means its 30 pages back and too buried to find, about SWA pay. So bump. Anyone know how SWA pay works?
Maybe we should think outside of the box.
For instance, I think instead of $88/flight hour on 3rd year MD88 B pay I should get $26/duty hour, thats almost a dollar more than the average $25.15/duty hour currently paid. Or maybe trip time? So just maybe we start doing 28 hour 4-days with no 4 hour sits?
Its a thought. Just throwing it out there. Comparing the TAFB hourly wages to the rest of the labor work force is an interesting way to see it.
Maybe we should think outside of the box.
For instance, I think instead of $88/flight hour on 3rd year MD88 B pay I should get $26/duty hour, thats almost a dollar more than the average $25.15/duty hour currently paid. Or maybe trip time? So just maybe we start doing 28 hour 4-days with no 4 hour sits?
Its a thought. Just throwing it out there. Comparing the TAFB hourly wages to the rest of the labor work force is an interesting way to see it.
01-12-2010, 06:23 AM
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