Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-07-2010, 08:33 AM
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I don't log on for a week or so, and this thread topic has reached 2+ million views?
The current discussion is an equitable merger list between DAL and Alaska (who are not, as yet, merging)?
Ouch. My head hurts.
The current discussion is an equitable merger list between DAL and Alaska (who are not, as yet, merging)?
Ouch. My head hurts.
01-07-2010, 08:33 AM
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01-07-2010, 08:36 AM
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I figured the f-NWA side would want to give the Alaska pilots DOH, then pull their most senior pilots, move the whole Alaska list up by several hundred numbers, plug the senior pilots back in, while ignoring category, class, furloughs and status quo. I mean, as an opener 
What's this about fences? There are a lot of narrow body guys who deserve a wide body captain slot in a warm weather base.
I keed, I keed. I was at the bottom and ended up "" "" "".
What's this about fences? There are a lot of narrow body guys who deserve a wide body captain slot in a warm weather base.I keed, I keed. I was at the bottom and ended up "" "" "".
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01-07-2010, 08:40 AM
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01-07-2010, 08:58 AM
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Thanks for the complement. I have read this thread (for about a year) and decided it was time to join in. I became a little too concerned with the euphoria that was starting to occur around the battle for JAL. One billion dollars was a little low for access to Japan with a HEALTHY carrier, and JAL is on life support. 1.5 Billion or higher for a company that should be sending out twitters on is current filing status, well I am not that excited about overpaying for something that could be radically changed through a trip in the Japanese courts. Now that it appears the price is going higher, this pilot group must decide what price is too high (I realize we have limited say as a pilot group).
The other point I was trying to get across is that whats good for the corporation is not NECESSARILY good for the pilot group. Chapter 11 filing was a most recent example.
01-07-2010, 09:02 AM
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I was looking for something else but I ran across this picture of Carl in NRT. Had to post it.
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01-07-2010, 09:25 AM
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Do you think Alaska pilots should feel they have a "right" to fly wide bodys in merger?
Yes I do. Not immediately, but if DAL guys bid into SEA, and LAX on their equipment then Alaska guys should be able to bid into our positions also. Keep in mind with a category and class type of SLI - DAL guys will be weighted toward the top of the list. Once merged they would be "Delta" pilots and should be able to fly whatever their seniority can hold.
And what does 911 have anything to do with a merger?
I was referring to the post 9-11 instability in the airline career - not the actual 9-11 event. It has to do with career expectations. Is a stable 30 year career realistic in the post 9-11 airline world? Career expectations are constantly changing and thus do not make good criteria, when looked at alone, for merging two pilot groups. 10 years ago DAL guys had to start out on the panel - that was a career expectation then - not now. DAL had 10+ percent of its pilot list on furlough in 2004 - is a furlough in anyones career expectation?
A few years ago guys were hired directly into widebody FO that some can not hold today. So was their career expectation taken at that exact point in time. Can they realistically say they expected to never fly a narrow-body? We can not extrapolate a snapshot of today into a 30 year look ahead - it will not work.
Look, I don't want to lose seniority to an Alaska guy any more then you do, that is why I think we are better off arguing category and class vice "career expectations."
Go and ask a southwest pilot if he ever expects to fly a wide body. How about airtran, jetblue.... well you get the point.
I don't know, I suppose some SWA pilots expect to eventually fly something besides a 737. Is that realistic - I don't know, but it may be their "expectation" wrong or right. What I do know is that neither will look like they do today in 10 or 20 years.
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01-07-2010, 10:05 AM
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Seems awfully premature to worry about all this anyway.
01-07-2010, 10:15 AM
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I just want to throw out there than not all junior guys feel like Superdad and Flying Viking. As a junior DL guy myself (but senior to Superdad, hah!) I am embarassed by the feeling of entitlement these guys exhibited here.
Yes, I was hired into the ER and the possibility of that happening sure made coming to DL that much more appealing. But I was also aware that it probably wouldn't last. While I miss the flying, I have no problem slumming it out in the Mighty Dog. My reason for coming to DL was to go work for a good company. If that means it may take a few extra years to see a wide body, so be it.
BTW Superdad, your quest to fly a wide body shouldn't the end-all. Your first shot at wide body flying (Maxjet) didn't end well. If you hadn't been lucky enough to get hired here, you'd probably still be unemployed or flying for a much less desirable company.
And as for saying the AS guys don't have any expectations of ever flying a wide body, how do you know that? There's nothing to say that in the future, AS won't buy bigger jets, just as there's nothing to say that in the future, DL will park all its wide bodies in order to fly domestic only.
To all AS guys, if there is a merger, I say "Welcome aboard."
Yes, I was hired into the ER and the possibility of that happening sure made coming to DL that much more appealing. But I was also aware that it probably wouldn't last. While I miss the flying, I have no problem slumming it out in the Mighty Dog. My reason for coming to DL was to go work for a good company. If that means it may take a few extra years to see a wide body, so be it.
BTW Superdad, your quest to fly a wide body shouldn't the end-all. Your first shot at wide body flying (Maxjet) didn't end well. If you hadn't been lucky enough to get hired here, you'd probably still be unemployed or flying for a much less desirable company.
And as for saying the AS guys don't have any expectations of ever flying a wide body, how do you know that? There's nothing to say that in the future, AS won't buy bigger jets, just as there's nothing to say that in the future, DL will park all its wide bodies in order to fly domestic only.
To all AS guys, if there is a merger, I say "Welcome aboard."
01-07-2010, 10:20 AM
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I just want to throw out there than not all junior guys feel like Superdad and Flying Viking. As a junior DL guy myself (but senior to Superdad, hah!) I am embarassed by the feeling of entitlement these guys exhibited here.
Yes, I was hired into the ER and the possibility of that happening sure made coming to DL that much more appealing. But I was also aware that it probably wouldn't last. While I miss the flying, I have no problem slumming it out in the Mighty Dog. My reason for coming to DL was to go work for a good company. If that means it may take a few extra years to see a wide body, so be it.
BTW Superdad, your quest to fly a wide body shouldn't the end-all. Your first shot at wide body flying (Maxjet) didn't end well. If you hadn't been lucky enough to get hired here, you'd probably still be unemployed or flying for a much less desirable company.
And as for saying the AS guys don't have any expectations of ever flying a wide body, how do you know that? There's nothing to say that in the future, AS won't buy bigger jets, just as there's nothing to say that in the future, DL will park all its wide bodies in order to fly domestic only.
To all AS guys, if there is a merger, I say "Welcome aboard."
Yes, I was hired into the ER and the possibility of that happening sure made coming to DL that much more appealing. But I was also aware that it probably wouldn't last. While I miss the flying, I have no problem slumming it out in the Mighty Dog. My reason for coming to DL was to go work for a good company. If that means it may take a few extra years to see a wide body, so be it.
BTW Superdad, your quest to fly a wide body shouldn't the end-all. Your first shot at wide body flying (Maxjet) didn't end well. If you hadn't been lucky enough to get hired here, you'd probably still be unemployed or flying for a much less desirable company.
And as for saying the AS guys don't have any expectations of ever flying a wide body, how do you know that? There's nothing to say that in the future, AS won't buy bigger jets, just as there's nothing to say that in the future, DL will park all its wide bodies in order to fly domestic only.
To all AS guys, if there is a merger, I say "Welcome aboard."
That's lunacy! The Delta I hired on to in 2007 will always look the same! Oh...wait.... nevermind.
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